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So I've been scouting the LO for information on various armies, and unfortunately right now it seems Daemons of Chaos appeal most to me, but I'm mostly concerned if this is not only because they are so strong and maneuverable.
I have read about the difficulty various armies seem to have facing Vampire Counts and this does not concern me. Wood Elves have been always my choice almost from day one of Warhammer, as I liked the fluff and models, but I'm concerned whether I will miss some parts of the game if I decide to play them in the end. I know I will definitely want to play magic in my army, and I would like to fight on my own terms and toy with my opponent, controlling the battle every single moment of it. This means being highly mobile, which I believe both the Daemons and Bretonnia (apart from magic) fulfill.
Now obviously, with Daemons I get lots of variability, and combining the four different gods gives the player room to decide what playstyle he wants. Every single god is easy to define, so you can pick gods depending on the army you want to play.
Now the Brets may be quick, but unfortunately do not offer this. They do have some nice minis, but the lack of variability in miniatures (all knights, yay) would likely tire me down.
Wood Elves I've been reading a lot about, know the army compositions and have read the army book twice. Because of this, however, I am afraid they won't be so much fun for me anymore, but I would like to give them a chance nonetheless. What I would like to know is how well do they fare currently, now that they have been around for almost four years. Do they have problems facing some of the newer armies (most importantly Daemons)? How exciting are they on the battlefield? I really don't want to play Daemons for certain reasons, but the more I think about not playing them, the more I find their playstyle really suits me. So anything that can convince me otherwise will be great and I will certainly appreciate it (free reputation points ). Many thanks!
I think WEs are fine. They could use the odd tweak here and nerf there, but otherwise, they are in no way over/underpowered. People moan a lot about how powerful they are and how hard they are to beat, but really, they just need to adjust their tactics.
Personally I've never faced DoC, but I've heard they can be nasty. vs HEs, it really comes down to the skill of the general. vs VCs, we can do quite well being able to simply dance around them making rude gestures.
The hype about DoC is that they're new, and that means people will have a hard time adjusting to a new playing style, so they seem more powerful. Trust me, in a couple of weeks time, we'll be forgetting about how super-strong the DoC are and how invincible the new DEs are- until people start beating them (heh heh, let them have their Armour Piercing).
Once you get a big enough force, and when you start winning more regularly (like most WE generals do once they get into the swing of things), you can change your style to Asrai (all Elves), Forest Spirits (you have 3 guesses to work out what that is), or Skirmishers (all Fast Cav, Skirmishers, and Flyers), not to mention all the other limits/themes/etc you can do. When someone says WEs are boring, I say "Who's boring? You or the WEs?"
ArchonFarseerGuy is definately right in saying tha WE are possibly the most under-estimated army in fanatsy.
Speaking from personaly experince, there is only one thing in a demon army a WE will strugle with. That being a greater Deamon.
1) We can't killing blow it.
2) They are really hard to injure.
3) And the have a stupid full ward save.
In the 4 games ive played against deamons, i have only beaten them once. The other times i drew. I beat him, because i killed his Bloodthirster on my 1st turn. Which was rather amusing.
39 shots from all of my shooting units + a lucky 12 wounds = dead Bloodthirster.
was really interesting seeing the look on my oppenants face.
Sunday 20th July Wood Elves vs. Brettonians
Mission: Flank Attack (Brettonians attacking)
Score: Wood Elves - 4181
Brettonians - 0
You really had luck on your side that day. Even with 40 hits you should not have been able to put 12 wounds on that thing (Str 3 vs T 6 = 6's to wound I think). Also poorly played on the DoC players part to leave his BT exposed where your entire army could shoot at it.
The only honorable options left to we combatants is seppuku or semantics...which amount to the same thing really.
wood elves having fast cavelry and skirmising core units so thats good movement. they have pretty good magic good close combat and shooting is awsome
WE are very fun to play with. They have their strength and their weakness, they definately aren't cheesy. Every game is a challenge.
However, they really do have trouble against heavy magic lists : this includes DoC Tzeench, Vampire Counts, Tomb Kings... It's very hard to have a good long term magic defense ; I guess its just their style.
I entered Warhammer in the same time as the actual WE edition : I will never regret my choice.
Last edited by Railarian55; July 23rd, 2008 at 00:50. Reason: double post, oups...
Most people i know define WE has a Tier 1 army (Based of the 3 Tier system) and are a highly competitive army.
I believe that WE are the top tournie winners in my country based on the Irresistable Force website stats. This might change as I believe VC are catching up and DoC will be moving up quickly too, I believe they are already infront of HE which are now 5th.
Well, I managed to rule out Daemons, so in the end it was a decision between Wood Elves and Bretonnia. Then the forest called...
Many thanks to all Lorians who have helped me make the difficult decision on my first army.