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I just began playing fantasy and I need some help.
Here is a list of the things I just ordered:
WE Battalion (24 GG, 8 GR, 12 Dryads)
Noble (the guy with the big sword... i think that is a noble)
Ok I know it isn't much but I am just getting started.
My main problem is that i don't know anything about the game... sad I know.
I have been reading around on the forums through posts like WE tactica, and it gave me some good info but they talked about a lot of things that made me scratch my head, like marchblocking.
I was wondering if some one could explain to me some of the special rules about wood elves that would give me the upper hand against my opponents, such as marchblocking and scouting. Also the use of forest for cover of waywatchers and such.
Last but not least I would much appreciate it if someone could help make me an army list for the models I listed above.
A big thanks from a friendly newcomer.
P.S. avoid all the difficult acronyms like WIP or BSB... because i have no idea what they mean.
ok, I think the most important thing for you to do is actually go play some tutorial games with an experienced player. A lot of what gets talked about in the tactica isn't specific to Wood Elves -- march blocking is something every army can do. Honestly, I think you'll learn more by doing than you would by reading here.
So go to your local Games Workshop or local game store/club and make some friends. Play have some folks walk you through a few games with the help of the basic rule book. It really doesn't matter what army you use for these early games -- you are just trying to learn the basics.
Once you know the basics, then you will be able to start to understand wood elves and how they function -- we'll be able to help you much more effectively then.
1) you've ordered EXACTLY the same things i was going to get as soon as i get my pocket money.
2) Welcome to the Forum, a Wood elf veteran will attend to you shortly
3) i cant help you as im on the same grounds as you but i am picking up some of the lingo
Forests = good for lots of reasons
Bonus attacks for Treeman
Our troops can move freely through it with no movement penalty
A lord/noble (correct me if im wrong) can warp to different forests with a warpstone
We can move our forests with the spell treesinging
We get a bonus forest (i think)
and that is why forests are good
Scouts are units deployed after all other units are. IN THE WARHAMMER RULEBOOK it says scouts must be placed out of line of sight and at least 12" away from their opponent. However: Glade Guard Scouts must follow those rules. Waywatchers however can be practically humping the legs of the back rank of an enemy and still be safe. They must only be 12" when in line of sight. This means you can get closer to an enemy, fast. Also means you can marchblock them easier.
Marchblocking is when a unit of troops cannot march because something in the back of their minds is going "Hang on boys, we have to fight..." this happens when an enemy unit is within 8" of them. So from the word go - with Waywatchers or scouts who have moved - the enemy cannot march those units!
WIP I have only seen as Work in Progress.
BSB is a Battle Standard Bearer
BR is the Big Red Book - the Warhammer Rulebook.
You will see Wood Elves called Asrai on here a lot too (I guess you have read the Rulebook though, so will know that, right? )
So you have currently:
One Rare unit
Three types of Core unit
Personally I don't have all that much luck with Glade Riders, mainly because originally I failed at Fast Cavalry Rules, secondly my main set of opponents feel vastly threatened by anything mounted and would eat them asap.
Good thing is they are zippy and can draw units into arrow traps when thye charge and you fall back. Falling back is faily effective in Asrai armies as our leadership is higher than average and including a musician can be tactically rewarding in your units being tightly controlled in both flight and fight.
Waywatches have killing blow, making them excellent at taking down tougher units early on in the game, softening them up before they reach all your poor, armourless, S3 units shouting "Stop running at me! I can hit you better from here!"
Treesurfing is awesome if you just want to get a little closer to your enemy and your unit is in the woods, one Treesinging later and you could be a whopping 3 inches closer, can mean the difference between S3 and S4 in Glade Guard shots, can also be excellent if your opponent is forced to charge into the woods to confront you. Flee. Simple, they are now stuck in the trees and Treesinging now turns around and goes "Excuse me, gentlemen, I appear to have your posterier, would you like it returned?"
Ok i plan to do what swarm said and go play some tutorial games, once i actualy get my army... I hate waiting for shipping
Thanks for all the helpfull information
Last edited by SpiderPig; June 16th, 2009 at 06:27. Reason: DOH!
It can even be helpful to go watch games or borrow an army! No reason to wait for shipping =)
It'll probably take you a while to assemble everything anyway.
And one thing that also helps alot, is looking at the forum...
Just look at the other army lists and reports, to get an idea of the tactics that come with your army!
BTW: I think you ordered spot on, maybe you should have switched the GR with more dryads... but that is a point of personal taste (some play with a lot of GR and no dryads... I prefer a huge wooden screen, with some arrows coming from behind it )
Here here to the assembly. Assembly takes quite a bit of time along with painting. I'm being anal and painting like a mad man to try and get my units presentable. You will probably want to do the same.
I am good at putting models together and painting because i have a large chaos space marine army. I just never used it or learned how to play, that it why i want to know everything about wood elves and use them to own my friend with his damn fanatics :).
The only thing is, is it possible for me to mess up assembling, like... do i need to make one of my GG into a musician? or is all of that stuff simple to figure out when i get my package? The only thing i can compare it to is, for example, using too many flame throwers or a lascannon in a squad of chaos space marines where you shouldn't... is it possible to make a mistake like that with my wood elves? if so please let me know so i can avoid it.
Last edited by SpiderPig; June 17th, 2009 at 07:59.
I always assemble a command group, even if you don't intend to use the musican/banner bearer/champion you can put them in the back rank or tell your opponent they don't have a Command Group in this battle. Nobody should make a fuss. In higher point battles I always use a CG but if I play lower there may be a situation it just isn't neccessary to expend points on.
Overall, do you feel the bonuses conferred by the members of a command are useful? Many decide they are not and therefore it is not neccessary to assemble one.