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I'm just to exhausted with this game to have to change my playing style all over again. I know this is lame but I just can't devout time to switching up my game. Nor do I like my balls slammed in a vice at the table either.
So what has changed? Where do our units stand now? Does our over play style now change? I have the book, but I only have just begun to look at it.
Most importantly: is Skirmisher 360 sight gone? I cannot find mention of it.
Hint: If you cannot find mention of it, it's probably not in the book
My book hasn't arrived yet, being sent to the house so I can't check at the moment
Fantasy: Wood Elves, Dark Elves, Beastmen and Tomb Kings.
LotR: Misty Mountains and Rohan
Skirmishers see 180, but can march and shoot.
If you had a balanced army for 7th, you should be fine in 8th. The most that will happen is item tweaks for characters.
I notice with the new item Giant Blade we could kill chariots... if only chariots could be instant killed now. Apparently that's gone as well.
I've been a dedicated WE player since the book was released in 2006. Now, it seems, armies that rely on diversion, avoidance, and "guerilla" tactics will have a much tougher go.
Skirmishers being able to march with a musician is great. With the free reforms, we're still pretty mobile, but the loss of 360 line of sight really hurts. That let you protect a much bigger area that under the new rules.
I think people are really overhyping volley shooting. It's nonsense to put 20 GG in a unit, rank up 5x4, and lose half your shots from the back two rows. Instead 2 units of 5x2 would be much better, more mobile, more options, and spreading out points.
High initiative and weapon skill is irrelevant when you have toughness 3 unarmored elves with a single attack apiece. They might pick off 1 or 2 enemy but will die in droves in return. They are not a viable ranked unit against the great majority of opposing ranked units.
And the only reason to run 1 unit of 6 treekin is if you're out of duplicates for units of 3. 2 units means that all models, not just the front rank, get the stomp attack. And you've got two points of attacks. The only reason for a group of 6 is trying to bust ranks, assuming your enemy hasn't killed at least one treekin, which doesn't seem that hard given the new war machine and magic rules.
Flyers really take a hit now, too, that they can be march blocked. We do have access to some better generic magic items with the new list, but all our asrai characters are still Toughness Elf. A 4+ ward on a BSB (which every army now needs, considering the benefits) will die just as fast as he did before, even faster now that you can't eliminate attacks back.
That's another big issue. Dryads and Dancers hit, kill a swath of enemies, they get very few attacks back, we win combat. With the new step up attacks and steadfast rules, any combat is a losing proposition for us.
I think that while WEs have been declining with every new book that comes out, they are really hurting now. Mine are staying in the closet until a new army book comes out. Heck, I've even considered selling them, which considering the time and care I put into painting them would mean a lot.
I am not quite as pesimistic as you on this.
I am going to wait out for the FAQ because the changes in that might be more sweeping than anticipated. I think woodies will still be competative. If our opponents are taking really big units to get the "horde" benefit, it just makes it easier for us to multicharge and get lots and lots of kills.
WE still have some of the best warmachine hunters in the game and seeing that warmachines/missile troops have become deadlier, this cannot be undersold. My wildriders will be going for those units and putting them down.
Yeah, Backdraft, I know I'd regret, which is why I won't sell them. And I put too much into painting them.
Skars, you're right. It's premature of me to pass judgment. I've only played 8th edition rules twice, neither time with my woodies.
Speaking of rules changes and how they affect the game, what are you people doing to rank up your skirmishers? Are you building custom movement trays?
What does everyone think of the new vanguard rule?