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Next wednesday I will have a 2000 point battle against deamons of chaos and Storm of Magic. I'm really new to the game (have played 5 games only, against lizardmen and tomb kings) so I really don't know what to expect and what to field. In my previous battles (1500 points) I have used a level 4 lifeweaver, bsb, about 30 glade guards, 6 treekin and a treeman. Can I build about the same, just with higher numbers, or do I need other units? I have dryads, 8 glade riders, more glade guards, 2 more treekin, a great eagle, lots of models for spellsingers and nobles. Can I expect fire or do I need more magic? Who can help me out?!?
Thanks in advance!
p.s. for Storm of Magic (500 points) I will add a scroll for a dragon and the spell that will make put a forest to life. Other suggestions are welcome, but these 2 would be the most fun to me I guess
2000 points? Daemons? Wood Elves? If you quit now, you can save yourself a lot of trouble. Depending on what they bring, you can expect fire, death, and rules that make you wonder what they were thinking. Wood Elves honestly are pretty underpowered and Daemons are quite the opposite. I'll start with the bad news with what you can expect. First, one of the jokes is that daemons are immune to warhammer. They all cause fear, they're unbreakable, and have at least 5+ ward saves. If they bring Pink Horrors, expect a core of wizards with flaming attacks and flaming spells with a 4+ ward. If they bring Bloodletters, expect high speed, high str, and killing blow. If they bring Plague Bearers, expect high toughness, poison, low initiative, and regen. If they bring Daemonettes expect high init, high number of attacks and armor piercing. The worst part about all of these is that they're all magical so any ward saves your trees get are null. Those are just core units. Extra units include Bloodcrushers that have MR3 and a 3+ save with several wounds, high toughness and high strength and killing blow, and Flamers which shoot a d6 S5 flaming attacks each. As for Heroes and Lords, I wouldn't expect anything big and nasty at 2000, but they can have a single greater daemon with about 50 points of wargear which are essentially big version of the core and can probably eat a treeman (to be fair, it's about twice as expensive). I would expect at least one loremaster, it'll only be level 2, but it's a loremaster.
What to bring? Well, you don't have many options. Glade Guard to try and put some hurt down from afar, treekin to bash them in, a level 4 lifeweaver to keep them alive and hopefully dwellers some things, and a BSB. I'd really reccomend the BSB because if you can steadily beat them in combat, while they can't break, they loose units via unstable. Dryads might be good because they're immune to their fear, but they'd have to be used as a flank/skirmish hunter. It'll be a challenge if not impossible. Have fun =P
PS: I Haven't seen Storms, so I can't offer much there.
40k: Silver Angels of Our Martyred Lady 7/2/3 - Daemons of the Great Squiggle! 3/1/0
Fantasy: Windhost of Athel'Loren 2/0/0 - Daemons of Another Great Squiggle! 0/0/0
Warmahordes: Legion of Everblight (Absylonia)
Thanks for the reply I guess I'm just gonna have some fun and see what damage my elves can do. Maybe the storms of magic can turn the tide a little in my favor. Lvl 4 lifeweaver and BSB will certainly be added to the list!
I actually won the battle today Really bad luck for me in the first 3 turns, but after my treeman and spellweaver killed the 2 mages on fulcrums from my opponent. All my other units got wiped, but they managed to keep the daemons away from the fulcrum
Props to my spellweaver who shot, hit and wounded the last wizard with his one single arrow on long range (and for the opponent who rolled a 1 on the 2+ ward save!!)
What i found to work when i played against daemons was to use Waywatchers to take out his flamers.. (i know it's a bit of a long shot. but a killing blow is a killing blow.) And consentrating on his units one at a time. Shoot his Bloodletters and daemonettes to pieces. They only have their 5+ Ward. And same goes for horrors. Plaguebearers are slow as crap.. so don't worry about them you can just dodge around never having to actually fight them.
As for SoM.. How about giving the daemons some of their own medicine? Summon a loremaster and unleash havok!! And use daemonic pact to bring daemons of your own.. The possibilities are limitless. Anyways.. Your list seems to have worked well though.. But as a general rule follow some of the points i mentioned and you should be good.
Against the Bloodthirster I usually send my treekin. A unit of like 6 takes him easily. Also against the bloodthirster try and shoot as much as possible because you will only need 6 to wound, so a few of them will drop wounds off him. Treeman ancient with annoyance "if" he can catch him. So one side of the board is Treeman Ancient with annoyance and other side of the board is treekin, and hope to catch the thirster or at least set up for him.
Magic for deamons is pretty extreme, but dont forget that with a dispell scroll and the xtra dispell dice from our sprites upgrade the wood elves can hold off the magic.
The flamers are our biggest threat. I always make them priority #2 after shooting at the thirster with all my elves. I tend to field around 60 plus GG/Scouts. So 30 at the flamers and 30 at the thirster. If this doesnt work try sending a treeman after them for all their flaming shots will still need 6's to wound, and just hope that with shooting you have plucked a few flamers off first.
The best defense we have against deamons is all our shooting, lots and lots and lots and lots of GG shots at all their deathstar/main priority units to weaken them, and then charge with treekin and treemen, then finish with more GG shots.
We also have access to life magic, so as much regrowth and #2 toughness as you can cast.
And I know this reply is past due, but its for everyone looking at this and wondering what the wood elves can fight the deamons back with, so sorry for posting on a dead thread.
Last edited by slann-o-engine-eo; August 7th, 2011 at 03:48.