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It's been awhile since I last painted my Wood Elf models, I decided to bring them out for the upcoming campaign. I've played a few games last week, 1000pts, to get myself familiarize with the game (I read the rulebook left to right, countless times during the break). My play-style involves my archers hiding the forest while my wild riders dance around the field trying to flank, and flanking only. When my opponent approaches my archer line, they would move back 2.5" into the wood where they can no longer be seen... this, frustrate my opponent alot. The last game I played on Friday against an Ogre opponent who I killed in 2 turns.. he then started toss his own models and cursing how Wood Elves are broken.. move through woods, treesinging, etc..
It's still my 4th time playing the game, as well as my own Wood Elf army. I tried to stay away from the Tau-cheesiness (lable by the general public) of 40k which is why I retired from that army to start another. I am hoping Wood Elf would not be the same, and it's also why I picked this army. :cry:
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It is easy for someone who loses a game to say that the other army is cheesy instead of admitting that he or she made a few mistakes. It sounds like your opponent was just being a poor sport, and from your post it does not seem like your army was cheesy at all. Although I don't know the details, I would assume that you played rather intelligently and your opponent did not.
I think any army can make cheesy army lists, but as long as you think you have a relatively balanced force and play by the rules, any opponents calling the Tau or Wood Elves cheesy are probably just frustrated. I'd be pretty frustrated too if I lost in 2 turns!
However, wiping out an enemy force in 2 turns is very rare where I play; in fact, I've never seen it happen. What did your army consist of and how did the enemy allow you to do that?
Ogres are a good matchup for wood elves. The wood elf army is based on maneouverability and ogres can have trouble reaching them.
Ogres are also hard to play with in general, and in 1000pts you might have too much space to deal with.
You might have too much terrain on the board as well. Or maybe the pieces are too big. An archer unit shouldn't be able to fully hide in the woods, Ogres are speedy too.
Why don't you volunteer to switch armies? You'll both play poorly and have a great time doing it.
As long as your amy is legal, everything I read in your post seems like you were not playing cheesy. I got called cheese once because I avoided cc whenever I could except for the most opportune times. AKA I rode my Wild Riders around his lines and didn't let his strongest unit and his general charge me. You didn't have any dragons or treemen so I don't see how they could really begin to come up with a cheese argument. I've found Ogres not too hard to deal with so far. (Won every match-up against thems so far. Like 4 games) But my normal Ogres opponent doesn't fine on average he can deal with most things, he just hasn't been able to come up with a good enough strategy to take me down yet. I've played diff lists with him too. So it is not that you are I are cheesy, it is simply that another player has yet to come up with a way to your weakpoint.
In all, WE just generally play different than other armies so sometimes people are less used to their strengths and weaknesses because a WE player must play a different type of game in order to win.
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I dont see how people can call Wood Elves cheesy. We have no armor, no war machines, weak magic, and very little combat res. Our only advantage is our manouverability. Imagine if we couldnt move through forests or move and shoot... we would get eaten for lunch. Every army has its strengths and its the general's responsiblity to build an army around those strengths. Doing so isnt cheesy, its the whole point of the game.
Calling an army "cheesey" is the recourse of one who has been beaten by said army and doesn't want to admit that he or she simply got outplayed.
I don't think any army is inherently broken, though certainly people can make lists that are cheesey. I think people are inclined to call cheese against the wood elves because the WE army plays so differently from most other armies. As BigPappaNurgle said, we are lacking or are weak in a lot of areas, and are therefore required to rely heavily on out strengths to win.
The trick is, this is true of every army. It's just more pronounced in wood elves.
DotR's suggestion is a good one. Next time, offer to switch armies and see how it plays out.
I also agree that there is no "cheesy" army, but we should all keep in mind that there are some armies that are inherently a bit better than others.
I don't know if Wood Elves are one of those armies (I've only played with my Wood Elves a few times), but I can think of 2 armies off the top of my head that are a bit "better" than others (Skaven and Bretonnians). It doesn't make them "broken", or "cheesy", however, and I get as annoyed as anyone else by those claims.
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