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Archon w/Agonizer,Combat Drugs and Reaver Jet Bike
10 Warriors w/2 Dark Lances
10 Warriors w/2 Splinter Cannons
2 Reaver Jet Bikes w/Splinter Rifles
2 Reaver Jet Bikes w/Blasters
10 Wyches w/Succubus, Wych Weapons and Plasma Grenaides
So as I mentioned this is my first ever attempt at a DE list, and I'll admit I'm kinda shooting in the dark with it a little haha. Also I'm sure the Talos isnt my best Heavy Support option, but I'm partly basing this list around models that I own (no raiders sadly) and I have a Talos and figured if it gets into CC, Great! If not, well im sure it will soak up a bunch of shots before dieing.
Any input is welcome!!
It's a good starting list, but there are a few things that can be tweaked to get a lot more out of it.
First, there's a huge debate comparing punishers + tormentor helms to agonisers. To sum it up, punishers/tormentor helm is far better for low toughness troops, while agonisers are better for large critters like Death Guard and monstrous creatures. Any time I talk about agonisers, you might be better off using tormentor helm + punisher instead if you intend to take on T3 troops.
Now, onto your HQ. You used the drachon price rather than the archon, but that's probably best anyway. Most veteran players suggest using a Drachon when he's running solo. He's also lacking a shadowfield, which most consider necessary to keep him alive.
Personally, I'd go with a footslogging lord. You're a little slower moving, but you actually assault faster. Keep in mind that you cannot use combat drugs to assault 12" on a jetbike, and you also can't FOF on one. On a reaver, you assault 18". On foot you assault 19-24". If you really want a reaver lord, you're better off with a tormentor helm and power weapon to take advantage of the reaver's increased strength.
So we're looking at one of the following for your HQ:
Dracon w. Agoniser, splinter pistol, combat drugs, shadow field - 108 pts - better for T5+
Dracon w. Punisher, tormentor helm, combat drugs, shadow field - 112 pts - better for T3-
Dracon w. Power weapon, tormentor helm, combat drugs, shadow field, reaver - 142 pts - better for T3-
Your two dark lance squad is good, but typically squads with splinter cannons are larger and also include blasters and a syrabite to make them more versatile. This allows them to be used for vehicle hunting, long range troop shooting, and assaults. Usually, such squads are 14-16 models to make them a little more tougher since they can't sit in cover like the dark lance squad can. You could also use a raider squad with a blaster, splinter cannon, and sybarite w. agoniser as a faster alternative, but that's really a playstyle difference.
Your whole wych squad probably don't need plasma 'nades, but if you've got the points you can save a few by only giving them to the succubus. Your succubus also desperately need an agoniser. Wyches are better defensive than offensive fighters, and you need something to up their offensive ability and deal with high T enemies. You might also want to put them in a raider - wyches go down fast under fire, so the extra mobility will get more of them to your target. You can actually reduce the squad size a little as well if you need the points as wyches get a lot of bang out of a small number of models.
The jetbike squad is good for a general purpose vehicle hunting + assault squad. You can also bring it down to three reavers with two blasters if you only want to use it for vehicle hunting. It really depends on what you intend to use them for. Remember that these are eldar jetbikes, so you can keep them out of harm's way if you're careful.
Taloi are also a bit of a topic for debate. They can be really useful in WWP armies to get them into combat undamaged, and a lot of people also like to use them as a fire magnet to distract the enemy away from their more fragile units. It's another personal preference thing. An alternative is a ravager, which is one of the hardest-hitting and least expensive tanks in the game. It's also, alas, one of the most fragile, so if you do go with a ravager you need to make sure it does a lot of damage before it goes down. The question, then, is whether you want a lot of ranged firepower, or a really scary but slow CC monster that might scare the enemy into ignoring the rest of your army.
Hmm, that's almost a mini-tactica in itself. In any case, welcome to DE, and I hope my rambling has been helpful.
Firstly, 1 quicky. Tormentor helm on the reaver succubus. That's +1 attack right there and you've got the points to spare there.
The warrior squads are pretty solid there, as is the lord (who could be on foot to save lots of points if you wanted) and the talos. If you dismounted the lord you could get an agoniser on the wych succubus for example. Wyches on foot really don't work but if it's all you've got then I guess you have to roll with it. My advice to you is for your next purchase, either make it a raider or more warriors. If it's more warriors, you needent have the wyches in the list, warriors can work fine on foot as they're first and foremost a shooty unit, with combat potential.I completly agree with this but working on the premise that this is all you have, that squad is fine. Just keep them out of combat now that they don't have that punch. They can sit in cover sometimes though, and even if they're not static, it's still imperative to use cover if possible, dark eldar drop like flies to bolters.Originally Posted by redtwinIf you look at the end of the original post he says that he unfortunately has no raiders at the moment, so alas, this suggestion is impossible at the moment. Same with the ravager presumably.Originally Posted by redtwin
So yeah, back to the list. If those are the only models in the list there is not much you can do in the way of changing, just little tidbits like that. I'm worried about the footslogging wyches but all in all there are lots of worse lists out there, so you're not doing too bad. If you haven't already, try making a list for the future, but before you buy anything more, so you can know what to get next and not waste money. Have fun. Capture lots of slaves.
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