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    [1500] Eldar - First Attempt

    Hello all. Well, I've been away from 40k for awhile and am giving the game another go around. The only armies that are currently interesting to me are SM and Eldar bike armies. Since I've never tried Eldar at all, I thought I would make up a list and see how it does on Vassal.

    [1500] Eldar

    Autarch - 120 points
    - Eldar Jetbike, Laser Lance

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 291 points
    Warlock
    - Conceal, Singing Spear
    (9x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - (3x) Shuriken Cannons

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Shining Spears - 237 points
    Exarch
    - Star Lance, Skilled Rider, Withdrawl
    (4x) Shining Spears

    Vyper Squadron - 60 points
    Vyper
    - (2x) Shuriken Cannons

    Vyper Squadron - 60 points
    Vyper
    - (2x) Shuriken Cannons

    Falcon - 195 points
    - Starcannon, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-fields, Spirit Stones

    Fire Prism - 150 points
    - Holo-fields, Spirit Stones

    Total Points: 1500
    HQ: 1
    Elite: 0
    Troop: 4
    Fast Attack: 3
    Heavy Support: 2

    Last edited by Spector; March 30th, 2008 at 07:25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spector View Post
    Hello all. Well, I've been away from 40k for awhile and am giving the game another go around. The only armies that are currently interesting to me are SM and Eldar bike armies. Since I've never tried Eldar at all, I thought I would make up a list and see how it does on Vassal.
    Sweet! Maybe I'll get a game with you sometime?
    [1500] Eldar

    Autarch - 130 points
    - Eldar Jetbike, Laser Lance
    Looks good to me
    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 291 points
    Warlock
    - Conceal, Singing Spear
    (9x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - (3x) Shuriken Cannons
    Perfect
    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon
    Yup
    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon
    Mmmhm
    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon
    Fine
    Shining Spears - 237 points
    Exarch
    - Star Lance, Skilled Rider, Withdrawl
    (4x) Shining Spears
    Perfect
    Vyper Squadron - 60 points
    Vyper
    - (2x) Shuriken Cannons
    Good
    Vyper Squadron - 60 points
    Vyper
    - (2x) Shuriken Cannons
    Yup
    Falcon - 195 points
    - Starcannon, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-fields, Spirit Stones
    Maybe take a Scatter Laser over the Starcannon.
    Fire Prism - 150 points
    - Holo-fields, Spirit Stones
    Perfect.
    Total Points: 1500
    HQ: 1
    Elite: 0
    Troop: 4
    Fast Attack: 3
    Heavy Support: 2
    Really is a fine list to begin with. I like it a lot. Good job Specceh.

    -J

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spector View Post
    Hello all. Well, I've been away from 40k for awhile and am giving the game another go around. The only armies that are currently interesting to me are SM and Eldar bike armies. Since I've never tried Eldar at all, I thought I would make up a list and see how it does on Vassal.

    [1500] Eldar

    Autarch - 120 points
    - Eldar Jetbike, Laser Lance

    You probably already know but I'll mention it anyway: try to fit in mandiblasters.

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 291 points
    Warlock
    - Conceal, Singing Spear
    (9x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - (3x) Shuriken Cannons

    Prefer not to have conceal on Jetbikes since 3+ saves are not easily penetrated, although it is an option if you don't want Enhance or Destructor.

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    These are fine, I expect.


    Shining Spears - 237 points
    Exarch
    - Star Lance, Skilled Rider, Withdrawl
    (4x) Shining Spears

    Again, these are fine, although they are hard to use.

    Vyper Squadron - 60 points
    Vyper
    - (2x) Shuriken Cannons

    Vyper Squadron - 60 points
    Vyper
    - (2x) Shuriken Cannons

    A vyper is a vyper is a vyper is a vyper.


    Falcon - 195 points
    - Starcannon, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-fields, Spirit Stones

    Standard Falcon.

    Fire Prism - 150 points
    - Holo-fields, Spirit Stones

    Unorthodox choice that sets this list apart from others, you may want to focus testing this out since this is the biggest questiom ark at the moment. Configuration is of course fine, since a Shuriken Cannon is a waste of the Prism Cannon's range.

    Total Points: 1500
    HQ: 1
    Elite: 0
    Troop: 4
    Fast Attack: 3
    Heavy Support: 2
    Well, it's the bike list. Hard to use and more tactical (although those who play fantasy should be more than suited to it), and incredibly good at grabbing objectives. Just watch out for getting into close combat against jumppack marines or even enemy bikes, as a large amount of your force is not good at all in CC.

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    Quick fix:

    [1500] Eldar

    Autarch - 130 points
    - Eldar Jetbike, Mandiblaster, Laser Lance

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 291 points
    Warlock
    - Conceal, Singing Spear
    (9x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - (3x) Shuriken Cannons

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Shining Spears - 237 points
    Exarch
    - Star Lance, Skilled Rider, Withdrawl
    (4x) Shining Spears

    Vyper Squadron - 60 points
    Vyper
    - (2x) Shuriken Cannons

    Vyper Squadron - 60 points
    Vyper
    - (2x) Shuriken Cannons

    Falcon - 185 points
    - Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-fields, Spirit Stones

    Fire Prism - 150 points
    - Holo-fields, Spirit Stones

    Total Points: 1500
    HQ: 1
    Elite: 0
    Troop: 4
    Fast Attack: 3
    Heavy Support: 2

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    I must have been the only one to suggest destructor two days ago on those squads of 4 jetbikes. Since you took embolden instead, I'm guessing it was suggested to you at least twice.

    Destructor is a very powerful spell. I still suggest you use it.

    Otherwise the list is really nice.

    I would take starcannons on vypers, but that's just me.
    Last edited by onlainari; March 31st, 2008 at 09:32.
    Quote Originally Posted by rikimaru View Post
    You have the option for instance of infiltrating, outflanking, pillboxing, or anti assault.


    And that's just with the Kroot.

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    I like destructor actually, I just need to free up some points to use it.

    My worry about the starcannons on vypers though is making a vehicle with paper thin armor even more expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spector View Post
    Quick fix:

    [1500] Eldar

    Autarch - 130 points
    - Eldar Jetbike, Mandiblaster, Laser Lance
    The combination of this chap with spears is lethal but hugely expensive and presents a prime target.
    I tend to favour leaving it out at 1000 points unless I know my opponent has a prime target (eg high points MEQ ro TEQ HQs), attrition will take it down (with Siam Hann armies you tend to have to leave it in combat until the end of your opponents combat phase, in which case attrition can hurt), in 1500 I clined to say fine, but you are going to have to be careful, also against hih I opponents sometimes the banshee mask is more effective than the mandiblasters
    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 291 points
    Warlock
    - Conceal, Singing Spear
    (9x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - (3x) Shuriken Cannons
    fine, I tend to like embolden on warlock bikers, the reroll on leadership tests is usefull, but that is really at its most effective on smaller squads, on a squad of this size I would go for embolden, enhance or destructor
    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon
    absolutley spot on, keep embolden, losing one bike will otherwise make these squads run
    Shining Spears - 237 points
    Exarch
    - Star Lance, Skilled Rider, Withdrawl
    (4x) Shining Spears
    again fine
    Vyper Squadron - 60 points
    Vyper
    - (2x) Shuriken Cannons

    Vyper Squadron - 60 points
    Vyper
    - (2x) Shuriken Cannons
    fine
    Falcon - 185 points
    - Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-fields, Spirit Stones

    Fire Prism - 150 points
    - Holo-fields, Spirit Stones
    traditionally (old codex craftworld), siam hann has only one HS slot, which I have a falcon for, however more recently, having created a new bike based army with the new codex, I strongly favour war walkers

    If you want to keep these two tanks they are configured fine with the possible exception of the prism, it is possibly worth while upgrading the catapults on for when it suffers "weapon destroyed" results, to keep it doing something other than tank shock

    I assume you have read this:
    http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...icle-army.html (Jetbikes, Vypers and Walkers – Stratergy and Tactics of the Eldar light vehicle Army)
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    Well after going 0-2 with the previous list with 2 quick massacres against me, I'm going to flip a few things around and give the list a bit of a change.

    [1500] Eldar - Siam-Hann

    Autarch - 130 points
    - Eldar Jetbike, Mandiblasters, Laser Lance

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 281 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (9x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - (3x) Shuriken Cannons

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Guardian Jetbike Squadron - 129 points
    Warlock
    - Embolden, Singing Spear
    (3x) Guardian Jetbikes
    - Shuriken Cannon

    Shining Spears - 237 points
    Exarch
    - Star Lance, Skilled Rider, Withdrawl
    (4x) Shining Spears

    Vyper Squadron - 120 points
    (2x) Vypers
    - (2x) Shuriken Cannons

    Vyper Squadron - 160 points
    (2x) Vypers
    - Starcannon, Shuriken Cannons

    Falcon - 185 points
    - Scatter Laser, Shuriken Cannon, Holo-fields, Spirit Stones

    Total Points: 1500
    HQ: 1
    Elite: 0
    Troop: 4
    Fast Attack: 3
    Heavy Support: 1

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    maybe this....

    i don't have a whole lot of experience playing 40k, but what i have noticed in the few games i have played, is that war walkers are well worth twice their weight in gold. maybe even more. 3 walkers, with double scatter lasers will run u 180, the same as your falcon, and while they may not be able to move as far as the falcon, they can sit back, and pick things off at a nice 36 inches. and not just pick things off, but throw down some massive amounts of shots. 24 to be exact, and i know i am repeating a lot of peoples tactics when i say doom + guide on a WW squad and enemy is beyond devastating. it has definitely won me some games. anyways, thats my input.

    Trav

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    as per chat stuff and previous poster mate, my preference is walkers, but the falcon can work, also the autarch and spears really need a big target, if you play games where there isnt one, they will perform poorly

    Also Siam Hann is most definatley an "art form" army, get the hang of it and it is lethal, try and play it like other armies and it will shatter like glass
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