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    [1000] saim-hann

    well, my second list for u =)

    HQ:
    Autarch w/ eldar jetbike, and laser lance, spear = 123

    Troops:
    6x guardian jetbikes w/ 2x shuriken cannon, and warlock w/ eldar jetbike, and conceal = 212
    6x guardian jetbikes w/ 2x shuriken cannon, and warlock w/ eldar jetbike, and conceal = 212

    Fast attack:
    5x shining spears (Autarch) w/ exarch w/ star lance, and withdraw exarch power = 227
    1x vyper squadron w/ 1x bright lance = 75

    Heavy support:
    Falcon grav-tank w/ starcannon = 140

    total 989pts, got 11pts left... where too spend? and what need too change? im about too use the list in a tourny


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    Quote Originally Posted by Makdakee View Post
    well, my second list for u =)

    HQ:
    Autarch w/ eldar jetbike, and laser lance, spear = 123
    Spear? give him mandiblasters or atleast a banshee mask
    Troops:
    6x guardian jetbikes w/ 2x shuriken cannon, and warlock w/ eldar jetbike, and conceal = 212
    6x guardian jetbikes w/ 2x shuriken cannon, and warlock w/ eldar jetbike, and conceal = 212
    gah, ok drop one squad to 3 and up the other to 9, replace conceal with embolden for both squads and give the warlock with the 3 strong squad a spear (probably the other too if you can get the points)
    Embolden is essential to stop the squads running, by changing the numbers and adding the spear you get a large squad for infantry and a small squad for tanks
    Fast attack:
    5x shining spears (Autarch) w/ exarch w/ star lance, and withdraw exarch power = 227
    would like skilled rider in here too, it is pretty usefull for getting into opponents without getting shot
    1x vyper squadron w/ 1x bright lance = 75
    lord no, dont put single shot weapons on BS3 stuff, let the smaller bike squad tank hunt, let the bigger one if you have to too, use vypers for infantry and light armour, give it 2x shuriken cannon
    Heavy support:
    Falcon grav-tank w/ starcannon = 140
    desperately needs spirit stones and holo field
    total 989pts, got 11pts left... where too spend? and what need too change? im about too use the list in a tourny
    Doubt you can fit the changes in with those points, I would ditch the vyper, although out side of tourneys I would definately ditch the spears and replace the autarch with a farseer,
    that spear/autarch combo needs appropriate targets (high points, low numbers such as MCs, termies and other tough HQs, against armies without those it will still kil lstuff but attrition will take it down eventually and probably before it recoveres it points, however, as I said, that is outside of tourneys, it is very common to find tourney armies with appropriate targets, but it does depend on the tourney, and you will have a better idea of what you will encounter than I since I know nothing about the tourney you are going to
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    HQ:
    farseer
    w/ eldar jetbike, spear, guide

    Troops:
    9x guardian jetbikes
    w/ 2x shuriken cannon, and warlock w/ eldar jetbike, and emboldem

    3x guardian jetbikes
    w/ 1x shuriken cannon, and warlock w/ eldar jetbike, spear and emboldem

    Fast attack:
    5x shining spears (Autarch)
    w/ exarch w/ star lance, and withdraw, skilled rider

    Heavy support:
    Falcon grav-tank
    w/ starcannon

    okay what about the list now? =) dont have the book atm but guessing around 1k pts...
    and about HQ.. too make the list as competative as possible should i use autrach or a farseer? and which combos are effective? (the HQ will join the shining spear squad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makdakee View Post
    HQ:
    farseer
    w/ eldar jetbike, spear, guide

    Troops:
    9x guardian jetbikes
    w/ 2x shuriken cannon, and warlock w/ eldar jetbike, and emboldem

    3x guardian jetbikes
    w/ 1x shuriken cannon, and warlock w/ eldar jetbike, spear and emboldem

    Fast attack:
    5x shining spears (Autarch)
    w/ exarch w/ star lance, and withdraw, skilled rider

    Heavy support:
    Falcon grav-tank
    w/ starcannon

    okay what about the list now? =) dont have the book atm but guessing around 1k pts...
    and about HQ.. too make the list as competative as possible should i use autrach or a farseer? and which combos are effective? (the HQ will join the shining spear squad)
    that falcon is dead meat without spirit stones and holo field
    The farseer is a bad option to join the spears as they lose their USR, and they tend to need the aditional attacks from the autarch
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    HQ:
    Autarch w/ eldar jetbike, and laser lance, spear

    Troops:
    8x guardian jetbikes w/ 2x shuriken cannon, and warlock w/ eldar jetbike, and emboldem
    3x guardian jetbikes w/ 2x shuriken cannon, and warlock w/ eldar jetbike, and emboldem

    Fast attack:
    5x shining spears (Autarch) w/ exarch w/ star lance, and withdraw exarch power

    Heavy support:
    Falcon grav-tank w/ starcannon, holo fields, spirit stones

    so.. the last modification hopefully... any good at all lol? =)

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    ok this is going to feel like it is continuous criticism, but it is kind of improving the qualityof comments,
    try a read of this (it may help):
    http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...icle-army.html (Jetbikes, Vypers and Walkers – Stratergy and Tactics of the Eldar light vehicle Army)

    to a degree you are trying to save points by not giving bits of kit, however when you do this with eldar you can break units, the trick is not to underspend but also not to over spend, so....

    Quote Originally Posted by Makdakee View Post
    HQ:
    Autarch w/ eldar jetbike, and laser lance, spear
    again with the spear???/?
    he can seriously use mandiblasters, that or a banshee mask, the latter is only of use against very quick opponenents (DE) but is cheap
    Troops:
    8x guardian jetbikes w/ 2x shuriken cannon, and warlock w/ eldar jetbike, and emboldem
    3x guardian jetbikes w/ 2x shuriken cannon, and warlock w/ eldar jetbike, and emboldem
    ok the small squad can only take 1 cannon, the larger squad, well if you want to keep the army as is, then drop the squad size to 6 and use the spare points for the additional stuff on the list like mandiblaster for the autarch, however read the stuff on the end of the post before you decide to do this
    Fast attack:
    5x shining spears (Autarch) w/ exarch w/ star lance, and withdraw exarch power
    again, expert rider
    Heavy support:
    Falcon grav-tank w/ starcannon, holo fields, spirit stones

    so.. the last modification hopefully... any good at all lol? =)
    ok now, point on the autarch and spears.

    these two go together brilliantly, and are not that good without each other, BUT together they represent about 360 points of charge power.

    they will decimate most units, but they will go down to attrition (without fixing units to hold the enemby you have to hit and run at the end of his combat phase, thus you must bear 2 rounds of getting hit, admittedly there will not be much left to hit you, but you are no harder to kill in the main than the average tac marine, also if you wipe out your opponent when you charge you cna find yourself either getting shot to shreds or consolidating into a full unit and having to cope with a round of combat where you havent already beaten the hell out of your opponent with your charge

    net result, they will tend to take one unit out with ease, two with a reasonable ammount of comfort but you are doing well if you survive the third.

    Now I am not saying dont use them, but the point is two fold;

    firstly they really need an appropriate target, something like a terminator HQ squad is ideal, but some armies dont have expensive units, or will screen them very well, such as Guard or nids

    Secondly the expense, in 1000 points investing one third of your points in this combo is distinctly high risk, one good basilisk shot and you just have a pile of trash, in larger battles fine, but again, a distinct worry in 1000 points
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