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I've posted an army list similar to this one, and it's really not that different then a million other lists out there. I have some of the models bought and i'm struggling to decide what to do with my finaly ~370 points. This list is 1501 as you see it. I'm willing to drop the autarch and guardian jetbikes which is where the points are free'd. I'm also leaning towards turning the twin linked bright lances on my wave serpents to twin linked missle launchers. What i'm looking for with the final points is something that is durable, fast, and hard hitting. Obviously this will mean high point costs. that is acceptable.
Farseer - fortune, eldritch storm, spirit stones, runes of witnessing.doom
Autarch- jetbike, laser lance reaper launcher, mandiblasters.
10x Howling Banshee's - exarch, mirror swords, acrobatics, wave serpent (TL EML).
10x Dire Avengers- exarch, bladestorm, defend, PW/SS, wave serpent (TL EML).dual avenger shuriken catapults
10x Guardian Defenders - scatter laser4 additional guardians, warlock with enhance
9x Guardian Jetbikes - 3xShuriken Cannons
2x War Walkers - 2x EML each.
The current front runner is to drop the above mentioned and replace with an avatar and harlequins( 10 with shadow seer). I like them for CC as my army has only one unit atm, and for hitting power. I fear that even with viel of tears they're easy to take down. Really anything is potential. swooping hawks, warp spiders, wraithgaurd, wraithlords, & fire prisms are others i've considered. Maybe i need a falcon with some fire dragons? maybe two fire prisms? Ideally i'd like to get a mobile tough troops selection that is why i have guardian jetbikes in atm. I just can't decide and i want something that will give the army character. Feel free to strip the units/models of weaponry and abilities, but the models there (save for the autarch and the jetbikes) will remain in my final list no matter the out come.
Items in red have been deleted, items in bold are additions
Last edited by badxample; September 17th, 2008 at 16:33. Reason: modifying list
I would say give the WW scatter lasers as I personaly like the high shot volume. Then add two prisms for around 300-400 points this will fill out your list with some long range AT and anti-horde/termie/all meq templated death. I really love this tank combo. Also I'm a huge fan of Warp Spides. I've seen them rip through all sorts of things. With their speed they are almost un-stoppable. Those would be my two choices for hard hitting units. A side not would be that I find guardians taken in squads of ten can be weak. In my last list I had two squads of ten and in two turns both squads were wiped out. I prefer squads of 20. Also if you are going to take the prisms I would drop the serpents BL and give it Scatter lasers or EML. EML are preferable as they can double thier role. Also I think your banshees will be sufficient CC. Unless you are gonna face lots of horde armies I wouldn't add any other CC units. If you are facing said armies I would reccomend a unit of Striking Scorpions.
Hope it helps,
Truth be told i think fire prisms are probably exactly what the list needs. Yet i find myself feeling adverse to them for no tangable reason other then I don't have room in my army carrier for four tanks. Also, if my DA and Banshees are in close with the enemy i risk scattering onto my own units. Lastly, i kinda want a 2nd HQ choice. I've been leaning towards the warpsiders with an autarch in them (10 spiders with exarch weilding spinneret rilfe and autarch with fusion gun.) I'll boost the numbers of the gaurdians to 14 and drop a 6th pathfinder in. Will my troops selections be sufficient to surivive to claim objectives?
2 fire prisms? (2 blast templates, customizable size, str, ap)
autarch + 10 warp spiders with exarch? (20 str 6+ shots,2 of which with ap1, limited CC)
autarch +9 guardian jetbikes? (9 shuricannon shots, reaper launcher, 6 str6 power weapon CC attacks, plus varying amounts of shuriken fire, and the ability to hold objectives)
I have a feeling that this list would be very solid against a multitude of opponents. You have the high str. low ap shot from cannons spiders ect. The prisms imo would be a great addtion, I have never run two autarchs with out a farseer before but I can't see any reason not to. The autarch with the bikes will add some cc prowess, and will allow for a charge after thinning out an opponent. With power blades or a power wep. with the exarch/autarch the spiders will be fine on the charge as long as they don't charge termies ect. A very fast hard hitting list that will put fear into the hearts of any meq or horde list player. With that many high/med. str./ap. weps and at that volum of shots you will be a very succesful player.
One important thing is that if you take the list with out banshees is to keep your units moving and out of range of any cc set aside from your bikes and spiders. The pathfinders will do fine as they have two fast moderatly useful counter charge units should they need it, other wise they will be a thorn in you opponents side while holding the obj.
One thing to remember is that the guardians will be vulnerable so give them a low profile until they can sit on an obj. A way to do this is lighting raids with your spiders/bikes and to make your tougher units seem like a more important target.
Hope this helps, I'll be happy to help in any way.
Using the modifications i've made to my orginal post. what should finish the list?
8 warp spiders with exarch withdraw and dual spinners. OR
6 guardian jetbikes, 2 with shuriken cannons, and one warlock with embolden and singing spear.
I worry i don't have any thing that can hit AV13+ well. Should i turn the TL-EMLs to TL-BL and if so where can i free the points?
I have found spiders to be a really great unit, they will usually make their points back, though you can't go wrong with more troops. As for the AV13+... if you are really worried then give the WS BL you can drop enhance for the guardians and give them embolden and you could shed five more by giving your autarch a fusion gun vs. a launcher. Btw are the red highlighted things you have taken out. If so you have alot of points to work with.
Yes the items in red are deletes, the bold are additions. so i no longer have the autarch for example. Embolden would be a waste for the gaurdians as i plan to stand the avatar near them as a deterent from assault. It also makes you have to kill them to the man to clear me from the objective they will hold. I was thinking i'd drop withdraw if i take the spiders, or the warlock if i take the jetbikes.
Sorry I was looking at the powers points wise... forgot the avatar was there.