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Im going to have a Game with eldar very soon itll be 1500 point from what i know,
He is using something Like
Avatar of khaine
Farseer w/ 5-6 dark reapers
10 dire avengers
6 howling banshees
Hes Probarly using this List with Added on things to make it 1500, im not to sure what he is using but its along the Lines of those.
Ill be Using this, atm i have 2 Lists in Mind Help me choose which is better and why
Nightbringer - 360
Necron Lord - 170
w/ Destroyer Body,Gaze of flame,Phylactery, warscythe
2x Heavy destroyers
2x heavy Destroyers
Reason why i Have Nightbringer is Because Nothing really can take on Khaine and Nightbringer will slaughter Him simply, After doing that the wraithLord isnt to hard either, destroyers Shoot at Dark reapers Heavies at serpent Monolith pie plates at his troops and warriors to his Guardians taking them down to size.
anything i shud take out and add? Comments please
Pretty solid lists VS what you're about to face. I agree that the Nightbringer might be the best option to slaughter that burning and melting ball of rock. Indeed the wraithlord should pose no thread at all for the Nightbringer.
I'd probably go for list 1, since it has a much steadier Warrior count, obviously. And the fact that the core of your oppononent's army is made of Guardians/Avengers, makes the choice that much more simple.
Also the addition of some Scarabs flying around until your opponent goes dizzy, might just be what you need. Or might just provide some additional fun... for you that is.
You could drop the Lord/H. Destroyers for the Scarabs and/or add another Destroyer.
That's what I can think of atm.
Wraithlord ARE a threat to the Nightbringer. They're S10, which means that both of you are going at the same time and both of you are wounding on 2s.
Rather than waste the NB's wounds going after WLs, use your Warriors. Eldar players rely on the T8 of the WLs, they'll generally assume that standard bolter-level fire is no threat. Remind him he's playing Necrons and not marines, and take advantage of the Gauss rule v. living targets. (The only other model in th is game besides our own C'tan against which this matters!)
Also, I'm guessing the Wraithlord has about half the Nightbringer's attacks and certainly a lower WS. That makes a bit of difference aswell.
All in all, I don't think the Wraithlord posess a serious threat against the Nightbringer. Unless, of course, you have bad die rolls or one of my assumptions is incorrect.
Honestly I disagree with the sentiment to rely on warriors for taking down Wraithlords, by the time the wraithlord gets within rapid-fire range of the warriors your ability to take it out with the volley before it can charge is not enough. Yes you CAN wound it but on average 20 shots against a WL from warriors you'll only get 2 actual wounds that then have to get through a 3+ save.
Also remember the NB gets saves against WL attacks, WL does not get saves against NB attacks.
I'd say get some scarabs to try and rush into those darkreapers, if you can tie them up in a tarpit they'll be useless, and their ability to break out alone is rather low.
I'm not a fan of Heavy Destroyers, they hardly seem to get the job done. Though they could be a good answer to the wraithlord they may just get targeted and torn off the field before they can do anything substantial.
Also I'm not feeling the Destroyer lord. They're powerful but perhaps something to back it up? Maybe some scarabs as a retinue to tie things up so the D-Lord can tear them down?
Statistically, the NB can beat any single model in combat, including things a LOT harder than a Wraithlord. So, yeah, there's no question that the NB will utterly CRUSH a Wraithlord he runs into. He'll hit on 3s, wound on 2s, and has a 4+ invuln against the wounds caused by the WL, which'll hit on 4s with fewer attacks and wound on 2s.
My argument here isn't that the NB can't deal with him, it's that he's going to take an unnecessary amount of wounds doing so. Given how relatively slow the NB is, he needs to be concentrating his efforts on the Avatar and the Farseer. It's not a question of capability, it's a question of priority. WLs have a low number of wounds and a (realtively for their model) weak armor save. Rapid fire range is far too close, but there's nothing wrong with using the gauss rule to mow him down from 24". Your Destroyers have better targets to be picking off, since their guns will wound on the same roll as the warriors. If the WL gets too close to one warrior unit, run them away and keep firing with the others. Ideally, the HeavyDs can deal with the WL - they're your best bet here, allowing no armor save and wounding on 3s. That said, the warriors are not a bad choice, so long as you can keep your distance. (Don't forget, WLs can take Bright Lances - keep those warriors in cover so they can get some kind of save!)
I'm also not liking the Destroyer lord here, UNLESS you know for CERTAIN that your opponent is taking Eldrad. A DLord is an awesome unit, but he's not the kind of thing that survives on its own. Especially against a unit of Banshees. When I deploy one, he's usually accompanied by 6x wraiths or a full scarab unit. That said, if your opponent is playing Eldrad, you're looking at a garaunteed twin-linked 3+ invln save on him AND twin-linked 4+ invln on the Avatar - you need that Warscythe to chop him in half.
With that in mind, I'd reccomend list #2 - more versatility and options.
Last edited by SMann233; January 10th, 2009 at 20:59.
One thing I have trouble with is his dark reapers with AP 3 shots which does serious damage to destroyers, So i was planning to Put them in Cover If i cant put them RIght NEXT to the D Lord and put my Lord with a Res Orb and take some other Things Off such as Phylactery and Gaze of FLame, reason being is that i dont want my Destroyers Dieing first turn which he has done before, so basically my arwmy will be 6 destroyer with in 6" of Lord for Orb Heavies in Cover, Nightbringer stays upfront for challenges Warriors on Objectives and One squad of warriors advancing with the NIghtbringer Gunning down his guardians.
I Know for a Fact his Avatar and WL will stand no chance againt my Nightbringer because we have tried it before and they only took of 2-3 wounds on average from my Nightbringer.
Also if i can persuade my friend should i make the game 1700 points and add in my Monolith because that is all i Need and will cause Hell for him