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This thread was cut-n-pasted from another army list thread. It belongs to SaintPat (his first post on the forum, so let's give him a warm welcome )
Well to start I am new to Necrons and have been reviewing different lists and think I have a good one. I am not sure and want advice on any adjustments please. Dont be too harsh i've never played them before.Here we go!
Necrons 1,000 point competitive army:
Necron Lord: destroyer body and staff of light: 130
20 warriors:guass flayers, 2 squads of 10:360
3 wraiths: claws and barbed tails: 123
6 scarabs: 72
3 destroyers: 150
8 flayed ones: sythes: 142
Total ammount: 979
I am still not sure what to do with the extra 21 points. That is my first list and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Last edited by Rabbit; March 31st, 2009 at 23:12.
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I think I'll just beat Alzer to the punch and pesonally welcome you to LO and the Necrons
As far as your list goes you seem to be heading for a CC list with a bit of shootiness. not against this is any way but there are a couple of problems.
1. Your Lord while yes hes T6 he can still be downed by power weapons and relic blade toting captains, you would probrably want to give him an orb or a phase shifter, or alternatively you could just make him a foot lord with an orb to augment your warriors since lords do tend to fit for more of a support role.
2. The Wraith and scarabs while yes they are appropriate CC units they are both weak against mass bolter fire and since theyll be gunning for the enemy i can see them getting either gunned down completely or to the point theyre not gonna make much of a difference.
3. FO's are a good idea but at this points level your squad is too big, i guess youll be having them infiltrate as well which is good since DS them is pointless, I'd lower the squad to 6
With a little tweaking to your list id go for
Lord - Dbdy, Orb, SoL - 170
6 Flayed Ones - 108
10 Warriors - 180
10 Warriors - 180
3 Wraith - 123
3 Wraith - 123
10 Scarbs - 120
Total - 1004
PO - 8 remain
KP's - 7
You don't have your destroyers but you've now augmented your lord and wraiths surviveability and now your scarabs can successfully tarpit an enemy unit. But it's all up to you which list you want to use.
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It's nice of you to use the copy-pasta Rabbit, but uhh I thought posting points values was a no-no? Or has that changed when I wasn't paying attention?
The list though...hmm, not unified enough for my liking.
It looks like it's trying to do both shooting and assault, by having both Wraiths and Destroyers. At such low point levels, you would probably be better off focusing on one aspect rather than trying to do a bit of everything. The spare 21 points I'd probably get a Warscythe on the lord and an extra scarab (unless the opponent begrudges you one point, in which case a lightning field would probably be my choice), but I would do a 1000 point list a lot more differently.
A strong necron army is usually one which plays to its unique abilities and supports itself well (that is has multiples of a given type of Necron). I'd say you could try to go all shooty by dropping the wraiths and getting more destroyers instead, then dropping the flayed ones to get 5 immortals, dropping the destroyer body to get a res orb, then dropping a scarab to only have 5 and so be at exactly 1,000 points.
OR you could drop the destroyers, get 3 more Wraiths, get a warscythe on that lord with the destroyer body, possibly a res orb as well if you drop some scarabs, also keeping the flayed ones as a handy surprise and as outflanking reinforcements. Both lists will survive better when units of the same type are kept close together, concentrate on each bit of the enemy army and you can take it piecemeal.
Totally depends on what you like better really, even the original list could still work well but I wouldn't be confident in its survivability.
Thanks for the advice! I dont think i will be able to have 6 wraiths in an army because of their expensive value. I will try to modify it making it more cc. I most likely will drop destroyers for 4 more flayed ones. I think it will help my footsloggers not get so shot up and draw attention away from the vulnerable wraiths. That way i can tie up most of their army while my warriors and nec lord get in range. During their walk i will destroy a good deal of their army through my wraiths and FO I will also consider giving my nec lord a warscythe.
Thanks again i will be posting a new list soon. although i am not sure if i should get 12 FO i am pretty confident my plan could work. Looking forward to more discussions!
Ok so i have been thinking it over and this is my new list. I know you said to take away FO but i dont really have the cash to add more wraiths. Anyways this is just for consideration.
Nec lord: Dbody, warscythe, res orb, phylactery: 195
20 warriors 2 squads of ten: guass flayers: 360
12 FO: scythes: 216
6 scarabs: 72
3 wraiths: claws, barbed tails: 213
Grand Total: ...966 points!
This seems ok. I am thinking of adding VOD with extra points. This is a cc army with my FO infiltrating it will give me time for my warriors and nec lord to get in range and abliterate the remaining army. my wraiths will go in with the FO. It will prove to have a good first few turns hopefully with some luck i will go first and deal some damage with my wraiths/ FO. My scarabs will go for the HQ off the bat. The warriors will be accompanied by the nec lord. I may even end up haveing the lord lead the FO. I am still new to necrons and I'm not sure if it will work. Advice greatly appreciated!
Ahoy there SaintPat, looking at your second list you've got the right idea for a good amount of it. My biggest suggestion would be to drop that phylactery, it's a strange and somewhat ineffective piece of wargear most days. Best bet with this list is either to add a tomb spyder or, baring that, round up your warrior squads to 11 each and throw a gaze of flame on the lord. You could also take the warscythe of for most games i'd think, you will rarely need it's extra hitting power in 1k.
With a destroyer lord, use it as a terror-leader with your wraiths, it's a devastating squad to get hit by.
Also, welcome, and enjoy.
But back to St.Pat, it sounds to me like you've thought this through, your ideas are sound to me but of course rarely do plans survive contact with the enemy! I'll say if you are quite happy with your list, try it out in some friendly games and see how it goes. That's the best way, especially if you can play different kinds of armies, as with any list's effectiveness depends on what enemy you're fighting and how you use what you've got.
Although I will add Phylactery is probably not as useful as a Gaze of Flame, compare a piece of wargear that will only be useful 1/3 of the time when your Lord dies to a piece that is useful in every single round of close combat and I think you'll see the advantage.
Also with only 44 points left, there's no room for a VOD, not that your lord could take it anyway as he's got a 100 points of wargear cap, plus the Destroyer body of his would kind of be wasted if he spent all his time VOD'ing around the place.
I'd doubly stay away from VOD in this case if you don't have any immortals, as the turn you VOD with warriors means they have to land within 12" of the enemy to use rapid fire weapons, which is just begging to be assaulted. VOD can work without Immortals though, to escape CC, to drop Wraiths in a place that's out of Line of Sight to the enemy but close enough to assault, stuff like that.
What Alzer said is good advice too, kind of unlikely to find lots of invulnerable saves in 1000 points or less, but it wouldn't be a bad use of 10 points if you expect some tougher than 10 armour.
I really like your second list but have a few suggestions. Drop the phylactery and give the lord a phase shifter and use the extra points to throw in another scarab swarm.
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Thanks guys for all the help! I think i will go with my second listand switch out my phylactery. This should prove to be a strong army and competitive offense. Thanks again for the help. I really needed it!