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So I've got a friend who plays a lot, and he never wins, I was wondering if you guys could think of a list that looks like it might fly, but couldn't possibly win even if i tried really hard. So even though i'm not throwing it per se, i'm bringing a very watered down list. I'm pretty sure that it'll look something like this when i'm done
all abilites and upgrades, except spear
3 jet bikes
20 guardians w/shuricannon warlock w/conceal
10 banshees w/ exarch mirror swords
3 warwalkers w/brightlances
2 wraithlords with TL brightlances and dual shuricats
i went for maximum points and intimidating looking things while minimizing number of shots and range. See if you guys can think of something that would be less effective while still looking like it could do something, kind of going for an "all sitting duck" style army, every unit is built with the idea that one shot of vindicator could level it, except for the wraith lords who i plan on running along side the farseer, so i can make sure to waste 160 pts of two shot weapon each turn, but still look like its doing what its supposed to.
Last edited by FartsMcGee; April 20th, 2009 at 18:21.
If your goal is to make a list that will be competitive against a friend who has no skill or strategy let me suggest an alternate route. Instead of taking the time to build a list that you know is really weak, (probably wont be very fun or exciting to you at least) why not just take the time to help your friend build a more competitive list. You could show him some strategy pointers and help him look at the game through the eyes of a more skilled player.
Also you could bring him to this website which would help him a ton I'm sure. I just suggested this because while your idea is very good natured, I would think that it would be much more worth it for both of you to help him improve and become more competitive than to just dumb down your list.
Yeah, that's a very good point, but sadly everyone he plays with gives him tons of advice, and he really just needs a win. His poor little marines just die and die and die. I've tried to help him understand the tactics and the nature of the game, i've even helped write his current list, and while the games are much closer now i think it'd mean a lot to him if he could beat me out right, with a fairly intimidating looking list.
But yeah, i totally agree that your solution is the ideal long cure for sure, but a few painkillers along the way make the journey more tolerable. I was thinking about swaping out the banshees for swooping hawks, and taking away from the guardians to make up the points.
Yeah I definitely can understand where your comming from, I would get extremely frustrated with this game if I could never win. I'm not super competitive and my new list will be more balanced and fluffy than OMGPWNZ0RS everyone with nidzilla, but I still want to win games even if my list isn't as competitive as possible. If you already have the list you're suggesting or something like it, then its not a bad idea to kinda let him win a game, but definitely make sure he doesn't know your letting him win because that would probably be worse than just beating him.
edit: I'm not any good with Eldar lists so I can't help you on that front, but your idea is sound, just make sure you don't frustrate him more in the process of trying to make him feel better.
Yeah, i've been talking up a wraithgaurd list with him for a while, saying that there is no way that anyone could touch a list with that build. My record at the shop is pretty good, so they believe me when i talk it up The ground work here has been laid, but i just really want to make sure that this list will infact only get to shoot like 4 times per turn, and get torn to shreds if he moves correctly at all.
Yeah the last thing that i want is for him to feel like i took a fall, hollow victories suck the very most. Anyway, any input is totally welcome.
I think you might need to sort of tailor your list away from his. Play to the strengths of what he takes. So if he has dual vindicators, then expensive foot slogging elites, etc...
Just from your example you use a vindicator shot wiping things away, but you are packing a ton of bright lances which unless you are trying to throw the game you would naturally target the vindicator with.
I hope you understand my point, but I think you should take units which maximize his units chance of doing well, rather than having your own ones that under perform.
For making a bad list I think the idea of switching out the banshees is a good idea if he plays marines. I would advise against just running the lords as shooting unit that never shoots would seem like a gimme to me. Guessing the wraithguard are going to be elites so they can't score? Maybe you could look at a vyper squad decked out with all the upgrades, might be kinda hard to kill but such a point sink that it would handy cap the rest of the list. To be honest though with only a few changes to weapons and another unit or two (from all the saved points) the list could be effective.
Oh I assume he has alot of high strength weapons and not alot of vehicles, because if he doesn't have the big guns he will have to work to kill the units and all the pricey guns there would wreck AV quickly.
What does his list look like? That would give us a better idea of how to make a strong looking list that happens to be weak to his strengths.
Something like this:
2 Wraithlords with Swords
10 Storm Guardians + Warlock with Enhance
10 Storm Guardians + Warlock with Enhance
10 Wraithguard with Spiritseer
Farseer with Guide
That's probably short on points, but the idea is that the Wraithguard would sit back while the rest of the army charges forward. It actually looks decent., but against marines, those Guardians and Banshees will get cut to shreds by bolter fire. If they do manage to make it into assault, they are will be wounding on 5+ at best, and without Doom, it won't mean much.
The problem with your original list is that while it is bad, it's almost too obviously bad. Your friend might not recognize its badness, but any other player with some Eldar knowledge should.
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His list is a fairly standard marine foot slogging list. No transports or pods, usually devs, tacts, FC, dread, and a vindicator, with a deep striking shooty termy unit.
I don't have any storm guardians though I"m kinda lazy to convert em all, but that is a very good point. Storm guardians are so very tricky to use and keep alive.