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    Triple Cheese-Lord list

    I've been thinking about different 1500 point list make ups and love the old school Wraithlords, have 3 of them. Does this list make good use of them?

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    123pts Farseer, Singing Spear, Spirit Stones, Doom, Guide

    155pts Wraithlord: 2 flamers, EML, Brighlance

    125pts Wraithlord: 2 flamers, EML, Wraithsword

    140pts Wraithlord: 2 flamers, Brightlance, Wraithsword

    175pts 5xWraithguard

    46pts Spiritseer w/witchblade and Enhance

    152pts 10xDire Avengers, Exarch: Twin Shuricats, Bladestorm

    125pts Wave Serpent: Twin Linked Scatter Lasers, Spirit Stones

    103pts 11xGuardian Squad: Scatter Laser

    200pts Vyper Squadron(2) Shuriken Cannons, Star Engines, Holo-Fields

    1499 points

    Farseer rides with the Avengers in the Serpent, get out, destroy, hop back in. Wraithguard and spiritseer center the army with the WLords nearby. Avatar slogs with guardian screen, while the Vypers fly full speed. Hoping there are too many targets to focus on. Any suggestions?

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    I run a three lord list, it's not really all that cheesy! Mainly because of what you sacrifice to get them, no prisms falcons war walkers or reapers!

    regardless, I love the lords so i applaud your decision.

    Personally, in your particular list, i would give every lord a lance. 3 BS4 lances is a pretty decent anti tank base. Then put on the swords or EMLS to taste.

    3 lords with avatar and farseer is BRUTAL and good. I like the guardian shield with the avatar too. I am critical of the vypers and of the wraithguard unit. Firstly, in my opinion only, if you're going to take footslogging wraithguard with a spiritseer, you shoud give them conceal instead of enhance. I mean, if they are working in a slow unit with the 3 lords around, people that can avoid them are going to, and they are going to opt to shoot from far away instead with some big guns. The 5 cover save is actually going to be useful I think, and enhance I mean, they aren't a unit you really want to see combat..

    Vypers...flaky as they are, I'm not a fan, and it just seems like investing two vehicle upgrades and spending 200 points is blah.

    I would give the lords lance, but twinlinked lances on the serpent, and then use your monstrous creature fun to worry about the vehicles. consequently, drop the wraithguard unit and put a spiritseer with conceal in the guardian squad, maybe even beef that squad to 20. Other option...drop the guard and spiritseer and get harlies with a shadowseer. NOthing like a fat harlie unit with seer and kisses with wraithlord and avatar and guardian shield. pretty intimidaing center force for that serpent and maybe if you keep those vypers to scoot aroundthe sides.

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    Why do you only have one tank? If you only have the one Wave Serpent, it's going to get locked on to by all the heavy weapons your opponent can muster (if they have any sense) and is probably going to get destroyed in the first turn. Even two would be marginally better, but I'd say take three - one for the Guardians, one for the Farseer and Dire Avengers and maybe one for the Wraithguard as well.

    I don't agree with the Vypers, they're just too easy to destroy and not really worth it, they can even be destroyed with a well-placed bolter shot if it gets some good rolls (two 6s in a row). I'd replace that unit with a unit of Warp Spiders, it'll be a lot cheaper and of far more effectiveness and it'll also clear some points away for the extra Wave Serpents. I personally don't think you have enough men for a 1500 point list but I suppose that's what comes of having three Wraithlords and an Avatar

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    Ok, good suggestions. I am building the list from what I own. The Harlequins would fit great with the Lords, but I don't own any, yet. I switched out the wraithguard, even though I really want to find a place for them. Instead, for lack of a better choice, I put a guardian squad w/spiritseer in their place. Took out the Vypers, knew they would get flack, and replace them with a small squad of spiders. All three Lords have BL now. As for the serpent, I only included one because I only have one, plus if the enemy concentrates all fire on the serpent, my 3 wraithlords and avatar advance untouched. I'm hoping they will instead spread their fire out over too many juicy targets.

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    135pts 15xGuardian Squad w/ Scatter Laser

    40pts Warlock w/witchblade and Conceal

    155pts Wraithlord: 2 flamers, EML, Brightlance

    140pts Wraithlord: 2 flamers, Brightlance, Wraithsword

    140pts Wraithlord: 2 flamers, Brightlance, Wraithsword

    46pts Spiritseer w/witchblade and Conceal

    127pts 14xGuardian Squad w/ Scatter Laser

    123pts Farseer, Singing Spear, Spirit Stones, Doom, Guide

    152pts 10xDire Avengers, Exarch: Twin Shuricats, Bladestorm

    125pts Wave Serpent: Twin Linked Scatter Lasers, Spirit Stones 1346

    162pts 5xWarp Spiders: Exarch w/dual spinners, powerblades, Surprise Assault, Withdraw

    1500 points exactly.
    I've got plenty of other models for replacement, scorps, banshees, vypers, reapers. I'm going to get a squad of Harlies w/shadowseer as soon as I can.

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    yeah - I don't think all the fire will be concentrated on your Serpent because of the monstrous creatures you have.

    Let us know when you've playtested it a couple of times, I'm interested - I really like wraithlords, but up until now my love for prisms has been too great to make room for any

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    I've been running fire prisms lately and I gotta admit that I prefer a wraith lord with a wraith sword to a fire prism. It's 15 pts cheaper, a whole lot more resilient, and more reliable a threat than that dang scattering template.

    I'm a big advocate of only kitting wraithlords with either a single BL, a single sword, or shuricannon/scatter laser. If you cross kit 'em then something will always be poorly matched. If I put a sword on a BL'd wraithlord then if I get into assault to use the sword that's a bunch of points of BL that's gonna get wasted, but if I just sit and shoot em, then the sword is wasted. If you want it for anti inf, you can get 7 shots with the shuri scatter combo, but if you throw a BL in there then it's gonna be a very expensive single wound.

    So i guess that my suggestion is make one of the wraith lord's a CC lord, one of em a BL lord, and the other an anti inf lord. With the points saved there you can throw a EML or BL on the wave serpent, or even a BL or two on the guardians if you are worried about anti tank, or you could use those points to get another small squad of DA's or bikes.
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    One thing is for sure. Taking Eldar things in pairs or trios is pretty devastating...and it's pretty affordable points wise. I actually do something really similar to what farts suggested..I have a lord with lance only,lord with scatter laser and one i'm still debating, probably a shuricannon and wraithsword.

    I just suggested the 3 BL lords because 1. it would look cool and 2. it kind of makes sense from a different tactical approach. If you put a TL lance on the serpent and keep the scatters in the guardian squad, that should be pretty balanced. Also, the addition of spiders I think works well in this list, especially for their versatility, they should ALWAYS be able to get to the back armor and mess up vehicles.

    Bottom line, 3 lords and an avatar is what... 9 T8 wounds and 4 or 5 T6 wounds with an invul save? It's really pretty hard to stop.

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