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I have decided to have a go at a local friendly tournament. I'll be facing of against every race but Dark Eldar, so I've tried to make a balanced list.
Avatar of Khaine. 155
Farseer, doom,singing spear, runes of warding. 98
10 Howling Banshees, exarch, war shout, acrobat, executioner. 192
Wave Serpent, bright lance, spirit stones. 145
6 Fire Dragons, exarch, firepike, tank hunters 121
Wave Serpent, shuriken cannons, spirit stones, star engines. 135
10 striking scorpions, exarch, fist, shadowstrike. 207
10 Dire Avengers, exarch, twin shuriken catapults, bladestorm. 152
6 pathfinder 144
10 guardians, EML, warlock, conceal, singing spear. 143
10 guardians, EML, warlock, conceal, singing spear. 143
5 Dark Reapers, exarch, tempest launcher, fast shot. 227
Wraithlord, wraithsword, EML. 125
Total 1997 if my maths is right
Tactics: Farseer goes with banshees and boost 36" towards the enemy. fire dragons try and sneak up on the opposite flank getting ready to close with the enemy tanks. The pathfinders hold my own objective if and objective holding mission. scorpions infiltrate and give the opponent something to think about. rest of my unit remain roughly around avatar,being wary of any battle cannons or boom guns etc.
Please note that this is only a friendly. If you think it is cheese I wont run It because It's only meant to be a fun day off.
Last edited by ZhuPei; June 27th, 2009 at 11:02.
A couple of things that I noticed about this list.
First, that's a pretty expensive farseer, you could get a doomseer and fortune seer for that price almost. I like runes of warding a lot, but runes of whitnessing doesn't help all that much imo. It's points spent of trying to either prevent a wound that you can get a rerolled 3+ for against, or preventing something that is only a 1/12 chance anyway. Ironically it only ups the chance of pulling down snake eyes. Also if you are running the farsser with the banshees don't take the singing spear, its gonna cost you a die in CC each round. I know it's nice to think that you have the option of using the farseer to go hunt tanks on its own, but chances are the farseer will be engaged mainly in combat with what ever the ladies hit and you'll want as many dice there as you can get. On top of that, most of the time if its adventageous for the seer to split off to throw the spear, its probably just as adventageous for the seer to fleet over and assault it for three dice anyway.
Second, the fire dragons ws shouldn't be the one with the bright lance. This is what i would refer to as putting all of you anti-tank eggs in one basket. The fire dragons are plenty of anti-tank by themselves, give a unit that doesn't have any inherent AT the WS with the TL BL.
Third, those bright lance upgrades for the guardians are awful expensive for something that only hits half the times and pen's even less. Without a guide seer, guardians lose a lot of their umph, and to buy guide just for one shot of bright lance strikes me as probhibitively expensive.
Fourth, your wraithlord has too many upgrades. They only get two. I say make that sucker cheap as possible. he's 100 pts for just a wraithsword. So what if he doesn't get to shoot at tanks, he's still terrifying. If you still want to give him shooty, give him a single weapon. Giving the wraithlords big shooty makes them expensive targets, that will go down faster than you like. Although i'm not a huge fan of the BL cause of its cost, this would be one place where you still would get to shoot it every turn that he's alive, which is nice compared to the WS that can't shoot with each glancing shot. So the returns on the investment are more likely to pay off here.
Fifth, I realize that you're probably fielding only 6 scorps because of the model count in a scorp box, but this is a CC unit, and like most all CC unit they are GREATLY aided by larger numbers. If you can max this sqaud out to ten it's usually worth it.
Sixth, I think that the math on your pathfinder count is wrong.
Seventh, For the price of all those BL upgrades you could get another wraithlord. Two wraithlords is better than one
Thanks for the feedback, yeah my wraithlord's bright lance is a typo, sorry. Also I already bought my Farseer with the singing spear. But I think your probably right about the Serpent. I'll swap around right away. Fortune on the Farseer was there because I couldn't see anything productive to do with the points. I toyed with the idea of a second wraithlord but I decided it was cheese and decided against it. Yeah, my pathfinders are actually 144. Thanks for the thoughts, I'll keep them in mind.
Last edited by ZhuPei; June 20th, 2009 at 07:44.
Runes of witnessing are only really worth it on a two-power seer, if your only running one power then the failure rate of 1/12 is still pretty ok as you'll only test once a turn.
While bigger is usually better in the case of CC aspects if your infiltrating your scorpions you'll have to be sure there are large enough terrain pieces to play them, otherwise you'll be forced to out flank.
Its a shame you don't have the points for a transport for the avengers, I guess you can shield them with the guardian units though.
With the more recent codex's coming out there isn't too much in the eldar army that can be called cheese like t used to be. Starcannons took a huge nerf, the brightlance is pretty expensive, and the harlies rending stopped being amazingly effective antitank, not to mention that holofields no longer means box cars for a kill. The wraithlord while cheap doesn't start to feel like cheese until there are two of em, and to be honest since nids can field fexes in elite spots 3 doesn't even seem like its cheese. In 2000 points there are going to be more than enough powerfists, power claws, melta, demolishers, lascannons, autocannons to quite rapidly shut down a pair of wraithlords. Personally, I've lost enough games with a pair of wraithlords on the table to suffciently say that its good, but not cheese.