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I have been creating several lists, and i feel like i need some guidance with this list
I will state first off that i would like to keep the monolith even though i have read they usually are not in 1000 pt lists. So if you think it should be out please give give some very convincing reasons why.
necron lord(war scythe, orb, phylactery) 165
3 destroyers 150
2x11 warriors 396
3 scarab swarms(df) 48
po at 6
A very good reason why? How about Anti-Necron veterans making the big expensive, scary looking 'Lith phase out by killing squishy (compared to the mono at least) warriors, that will take 2 turns if your unlucky (if they're out of 6" and they wipe the entire squad, no WBBs at all)
But that's just my personal opinion, I've also known players throw all their firepower into the monolith, ignoring everything else, making them very worth it.
Anyways, if you want the mono, you got it, now lets see about that list...
scarabs: generally not worth taking only 3 in my opinion, and loose the disruptor fields, you've got plenty AT in the Lith and warriors Shake-and-Bake-ing with glances
Lord: Warscythe? Is he going with the scarabs (see previous "too few" comment), or trying to solo in CC? Also I've never been a fan of the phylactery, you can always find better things to do with the points.
If you want a CC unit by having the lord in the swarm, drop the 2 spare warriors, the disruption fields, the Res. Orb (If the only people in range are him and the scarabs, which don't WBB, then theres no real point) and add a phase shifter (so the lord won't get slapped down by power weapons, and saves 10 points off the Orb) and get another 5 swarm bases, a mob of 8+ScytheLord will actually do some good in CC
If you didn't want CC with a SwarmLord, then loose the warscythe and Phylac (if hes in a unit, he won't be doing much dieing) and keep him with the warriors. After that, you're basically on your own as there are a lot of options, I'll list the highlights
Drop scarabs and 2 warriors for...
1. A pair of tomb spyders (they're much better in CC than 3 swarms, and get rid of the unit wipe-out problem)
2. Up the destroyers to 5 and get a spare warrior, or a wargear or something
3. Another 6 warriors, though be extra extra careful of sweeping advances and other unit wipe-ers
4. 6 Flayed ones, but I'm running out of good ideas
If you don't like any of these (I'm not too big on any of them except for Tomb Spyders and more destroyers) then consider dropping the destroyers *gasp* *shock* *horror* to free up points
As you can see, the big problem with taking a monolith is that you don't have enough points to take much else either, but they will more than pay off against people not used to taking full advantage of phase out.
you have giving me some thinking and i will make a list with out the lith
but say i keep it and drop the warscythe, phylactery, 2 warriors and the swarms
that will leave me with 105 pts to play around with.
the 2 tomb spyders seem ok except for them being 110
my other concern is isnt the ws of 2 make it kind of hard to hit anything and do you give them the particle projector?
also i was reading the rules for the lith and this could change my opinion in the book it says
the particle whip is a blast, but in the faq it says large blast (the question in the faq was not about the template, so im not sure if they ment blast or large blast. you might need to see the faq to get why i would question it since its usually the answer to these questions.)
Im sure this quesion belongs in another topic but i figured id ask.
also since im asking questions in the wrong spot. does crew shaken or stunned affect the monolith since it says in the codex "Crew: None"?
^^ i have looked for these answers in the forum to no avail or still are argued about
so what suggestions would be made if i dropped the lith which would free up 340 pts total?
in 1k Scarabs actually have a place in your force, 4-6 of them can be a decent stall unit (though they will die, so keep that in m ind for KP games).
Tomb spyders, well... I think they're the second best unit in the army.
Lith...well you could us it in 1k, bt I really wouldn't. Finding a way to fit more necrons in should be your first priority. Maybe some flayed ones for counter assault, as a bodyguard to the lord? Then standard phalanx formation with the warriors, lord and mono. If you REALLY want to use it, go ahead, see how it goes.
The mono is effected by crew stunned and shaken.
thanks for the comments back.
I need to ask though why do you like the tomb spyders so much. i have looked at them as being kinda weak because of the ws 2 have you found that it is not much of a penalty? I would think id rather have a destroyer over a tomb spyder. Also do you get the particle projector and reduce their attacks to 2 or do you keep them all CC?
Also at what points do you think takign a monolith is a viable choice?
My favorite 1000 pts list looks like this:
So, i built a list from your original containing:
To compensate, we want more warriors for phaseout.
If you want flayed ones, drop 10 warriors and put 2X5 flayed ones on the table instead.
And the swarm lord/bugzapper. Destroyer body, lightning field, Schyte
That gives us scarabs for
4 scarabs still is a bit weak, even when escorted by a lord. But, it's quite close to your first list...
You could just exahange the destroyer body and lightning field for orb and some other defensive upgrades. And then put a spyder into it. WS 2 is no great penalty as it hits most things on 4+ anyways.
If you want destroyers instead, get at least six. They get more durable that way.
Then for 1500 pts, i'd upgrade i with 10 destroyers.
Why people really want you to drop the monolith is because that Destroyers and monoliths doesn't work together in such a small points scale. And they like destroyers...
I am convinced i am going to drop the lith for some tomb spyders ill post my new list later tonight or tomorrow
Thanks for all your help!
ok so here is my new army list
orb lord 140
3x10 warriors 540
3 destroyers 150
3 tomb spyders 165
5 pts left over will probably waste them on a df for my lord
po is 8
is that list look a bit more up to snuff?
the only change i would make is id exchange 10 warriors for 10 flayed ones, i personally think that would workout better for you
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