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Farseer with Eldritch Storm, Mind War, and Rune of Witnessing
3 Warlocks with Enhance, Destructor x2, and Singing Spear
Idea is to Mind War the HQ to take it out a little bit easier without engaging. Eldritch Storm a troop, and follow up with Scatter lases and range fire, and assault if possible the same turn since the target can't save wounds.
Face it. In a 500 point match, this will be hard to handle.
5 Dire Avengers
With Exarch with 2 Shuriken Catapults and Bladestorm
With Scatter Laser (add Warlock with Avatar)
95 points (120 points)
Wave Serpent (dedicated transport)
With twin-linked scatter lasers (I'd add Star Engine and Spirit stones if using Avatar)
115 points (140 points)
Total 510 points (507 points)
Of course, this is just the Battle Set with the Farseer and 3 Warlocks box or the Avatar added. Just shows what you can do with a basic set up.
I plan to add the following for a 1000 point build depending if enemy is more vehicle or infantry heavy though I could probably just halve my model count in both units to incorporate both:
10 Howling Banshees
With Exarch with Mirror Swords
10 Fire Dragons
With Exarch with Dragon's Breath Flamer
3 War Walkers
With Shurkien Cannons and Spirit stones
492 points (525 points)
Iunno. I see this as being my first 1000 point army to expand on. I definitely plan to get both those Elite units as I move up to the 1500 point army. And a Harlequin Troupe with Shadowseer and Death Jester.
I eventually plan on buying 1 of EVERY Eldar model to complete the minimum requirements for a unit for multiple builds. I like to be versatile, and learn new things as i go instead all at once.
I don't know how many Il-Kaithe armies exist, but that's gonna be my color scheme. My two favorite colrs. Purple and green. w00t! =D
A small council on foot is not a very useful unit. Mindwar and eldrich storm are two of the worst powers in general a farseer can take. Doom, fortune, and guide can multiply the effect of an eldar unit/army making them more powerful over all. Not saying they are bad powers but I recommend the others in most cases. Avatar is a good HQ at the points level. the 1k lists both have two general problems 1, they have an aspect unit that works best in a transport and no transport for them. 2, both have a phoenix lord. These underperform for their cost when compared to standard HQs or Eldrad, Yriel. Perhaps take the avatar list at 500 then instead of the Phoenix lord grab a simple farseer and a transport for the elite unit you decide on for the 1000 point list. Oh and don't take spiritstones on the walkers they are redundant in a squad.
dude dont take death jesters they are terrible... i know they look cool but thats as far as they get. here are the reasons
1) you cant fire the jester and still fleet which on a combat squad is very important.
2) death jesters do not have the option of taking a kiss drasticaly reduceing their combat effectivness.
3) its 10 points for a cool sounding shurken cannon, leave shooting power to other squads like dire avengers or reapers they are much better at it.
also i play the avatar frequently in larger point battles as well as smaller ones however beastly he is too expensive for 500 point battles. take a farseer with doom and increase the number of dire avengers you have.
hope my advice helps good luck!!!
I am having trouble following what is going on with this thread.
But in generaly, avatars at 500 pts are beastly and wheni played a 500pt tournament the guy got 2nd place, beat by me in first place cause i ran away from him all game.
Dont take P,Lords. No no no.
No death jesters.
no dire avengers, banshees, fire dragons, or storm guardians without wave serpeants.
No eldritch storm or mind war. Doom +guide+fortune=yes
Eldar -APOC- 6500 Points
Chaos Daemons -Fate Crusher- 3500 Points
Grey knights - 1000 Points
Well, with my list, I don't plan on them being competitive at all. I think this idea was assumed by those who read it. With me being new, I plan on trying different tactics to hone my skills. As well as, my friend is using Chaos and plans on using his Abaddon, so with me using a Phoenix Lord, I plan on having those "epic battles" with him. Which is why I usually include a IC. Also, I'm the type of person who tries to make "unpopular" units work. I'm not a huge fan of playing and only relying on what everyone else does. I'm more of a risk taker than play by the book person.
Though I do plan on making a competitive list that is not as heavily mechanized as I've seen.
Thanks to all who have replied.
Hello and welcome to the Eldar side of the coin. Death to the Mon-Keigh!
I was once as you are, I foolishly picked Biel-Tan as my first army to paint and collect, which in hindsight was a big mistake. Painting them is still a pain, but at least you will avoid that aspect.
The second problem is having a whole bunch of aspect warriors. This is quite pricey for starters, especially since you pretty much need a full squad for them to be at their best (Not all, but most).
I think that your plan of collecting and trying new things is great. But I also think that you will quickly get bored with losing, and with only collecting minimal squads of things you will never see them live up to their potential. I'd suggest at least starting with a traditional-ish list to have a good base to expand upon, this will give you a decent chance of winning.
So for your first 500 point list I suggest something like the following:
10 Dire Avengers + Bladestorm + Wave Serpent
1 Fire Prism
It's slightly over 500 points, but you can always drop an Avengers or two if your opponent is stingy.
Then for future builds you can expand with any aspect warriors you are interested in, and you have a solid base that will help you win. Another nice thing is that this gives you a Serpent for use with the Aspect Warriors that really need one, although your Avengers will be gimped by this but they are still playable (and it's not very common to see Avengers without transports if you want to try that).
Units that really need the Serpent are Banshees, Avengers and Fire Dragons. But you can transport Fire Dragons in a Falcon if you wish since 5 are usually more than enough.
I'd avoid the epic battles with your opponent using Phoenix Lords (they pretty much suck), if you have some pimped out Banshee Exarch fighting him it will still look pretty cool.
If you still want to try the Phoenix Lords I'd suggest only getting Jain Zar and Karandras, these are the only two that might be worth their points in some cases. Eldrad is also pretty nice for higher point games.
Anyway, let us know what you decide to go with and how it goes. It's always nice to see new things, and I hope you enjoy playing the Eldar.
Yeah, I plan on collecting full squads and such as I go along. Trying not to get everything at once because I would be just overwhelmed with everything that I could do. Just as you said, going for key ones that will be VERY handy in most situations like the Banshees and Dragons.
I still plan on getting and using those Phoenix Lords. Just for as I said, those friendly epic battles that my friend and I stage. So he isn't the only with a point sink out on the table. Also like the idea of the recreation battle between Abbadon vs Eldrad and Maugen Ra =P
Definitely plan on getting more Guardians and Dire Avengers. And some Rangers to try out different troop selections. Is there much difference between Storm and regular Guardians miniature wise? They look the same save for them having pony tails. I figure I could just glue a twisty-tie (first thing I thought of) to the back of their helmets or something. Or do they have specific weapons that set them apart?
Also, I like the grenade bombings the Swooping Hawks can do. Are they able to bomb then Skyleap after wards in the same turn, or must they wait til next turn to Skyleap? And how practical would you say it is using that ability a few times in match?
Last question (for now), when assaulting with Banshees, would they get a total of 3 attacks each? +1 for assaulting, +1 for having 2 weapons (pistol and sword), and their base 1A?