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    1500 points first time necro list

    I can't remember which god has the upgrade that makes the enemy take leadership tests.
    Here we go...


    Hq – 490 points

    1x Necron Lord
    1x Veil of Darkness
    1x Nightmare Shroud
    190points

    1x Deceiver
    xxxpoints

    Elites – 216 points


    6x Pariah
    216 points

    Troops – 540 points

    10x Necron Warriors
    180points

    10x Necron Warriors
    180points

    10x Necron Warriors
    180points

    Fast attack – 144 points

    8x scarabs
    96 points


    4x scarabs
    48 points

    Heavy support – 110 points

    1x Tomb Spiders
    xxpoints


    1x Tomb Spiders
    xxpoints


    My plan....
    Hide all units if possible or as many as possible. Many the scarabs, deciever, lord and the scarab swarms.


    First turn i teleport the squad of phariahs and the lord in the enemies face and send in the deciever as well and turbo boost the scarabs infront of my guys to get cover save and to get them in the face to tie up shooty squads for turn 2 and so on.


    The warriors either stay back or find cover and advance with the spiders on the flanks.


    not aiming for the flying circus or mono + destroyer spam or assassin spam here.
    but how effective/competitive do you think this list is?


    The theme of this army is one of those forces that quickly chew up other armies and force the rest to flee and they strike very fast and are very much in the opponenets face asap.
    The deciever helps to sow confusion more amongst the enemy so that they cannot deny there inevitable doom, from him, the pariah, scarabs and/or the lord

    Good themed army?


    thanks
    antique_nova

    Last edited by antique_nova; September 17th, 2009 at 22:37.
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    You cannot post points costs of lone units, forum rules.

    Your number of Necrons is far too low for 1.5k. Many players ignore everything except your warrior squads, and merely rip you apart to phase out your force.

    Pariahs cannot be used with the VoD. Besides this, they are a very advanced unit, I do not suggest them for a new player. At this point I would replace them with Immortals.

    At 1.5k it's also unadvisable to be using 2 HQ units, Necron leadership is very expensive. With a fear list, it is more relevant however.

    Scarabs and tomb spyders can be an effective combination, tying up with one whilst the other lumbers in to clean up. Keep in mind though, against any efficient close combat unit, they will just not cut it.

    Necrons aren't currently so much an army that you can use to just shatter the enemy force, they are an army of attrition, wearing the enemy force down over time, and enduring the enemy's attacks to keep doing so.

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    Lets see, I'll address things in the order in which I see them:

    1st, yeah it's the Deceiver that forces LD tests

    Ok, HQ, at 1500 points, taking both HQ choices is kinda harsh, I mean, 1/3 of the army in two models? But I see you're not taking a monolith, so it could be worse

    6 Pariahs: Pariahs are always a controversial choice, because they're so dangerous they're always targeted first, and don't have any more protection than your generic dime-a-dozen space marine, and by taking only 6, they might not last long enough to be useful to you.

    3x10 Warriors: nothing wrong here, a good base for any 1500 point list

    Fast Attack: that unit of 4 scarabs is going to be useless, I'd bump the big one to 10, and save the points of the leftover 2 for later

    Tombspyders, nothing wrong here either.

    Total: Big problem here, you've only got 31 Necrons, out of around 52 models, you're PO level is going to be dangerously low, especially since you've only got one of the three WBB boosters (tomb spyders, but no R.Orb or 'Lith), but you might be able to manage it against some enemies, especially if they're inexperienced in fighting Necrons and don't know to force a phase out

    Now the biggest problems I found were in the tactics.

    First off is some generic tactics advice: No plan survives contact with the enemy.
    A large complex plan can be fouled up far too easily simply because the enemy deploys in the wrong spot, or is running an all deep strike list or something


    Now for the specifics: Pariahs can't teleport. Ever. They're not Necrons. Secondly, you're overestimating the Deciever's speed, he walks at the same rate as the rest of the warriors and won't be able to do the rush ahead it seems your hoping for.

    Basically, I like the idea and concept, and I'd run it in a friendly concept or "just for fun" based game, but it's not going to be effective because of the following flaws:
    Low PO
    Pariahs are squishy
    Deceiver is slow
    Scarabs just aren't that good, and you don't have enough to do the proper amount of bug-swarm

    I like the theme, but no, not competitive

    There's a reason there are so many destroyer spam and phalanx and wraith-wing lists, they work, and interesting flavorful lists are rarely competitive next to them.



    How to make it better! (crap this post is getting long)
    Drop the pariahs and the Lord (because that tactic can't work because of rules) and use the lots of points to get a more proper swarm of scarabs (that seems to be the main focus of your list, if its something else, feel free to divert points there instead) and boost up the PO some more

    Uhh, I think that's about 406 points you can spend on another 10 warriors, and the rest on scarabs (remember to use max sized units where possible, they're really squishy and need numbers on their side)




    EDIT: BAH! Alzer sneaked in there with a short one while I was posting >,<
    Oh well, looks like we said similar things anyways

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    aww shame about the tactics. i'll rejig it then]

    new list

    Hq – 500 points

    1x Necron Lord
    1x Veil of Darkness
    1x warscyth
    1x Ressurection orb
    200points

    1x Deceiver
    xxxpoints

    Elites – 252 points

    9x Immortal
    252points

    Troops – 540 points

    10x Necron Warriors
    180points

    10x Necron Warriors
    180points

    10x Necron Warriors
    180points

    Fast Attack - 100 points

    2x Destroyer
    100points

    Heavy support – 110 points

    1x Tomb Spiders
    xxpoints

    1x Tomb Spiders
    xxpoints

    is that any better? and how can i get it to be more competitive?
    I now wanna get a list as competitive as possible.

    Or this one?

    Hq – 200 points

    1x Necron Lord
    1x Veil of Darkness
    1x warscyth
    1x Ressurection orb
    200points

    Troops – 540 points

    15x Necron Warriors
    270points

    15x Necron Warriors
    270points

    10x Necron Warriors
    180points

    Fast Attack - 450 points

    3x Destroyer
    150points

    3x Destroyer
    150points

    3x Destroyer
    150points

    Heavy Support - 130 points

    1x Heavy Destroyer
    xx points

    1x Heavy Destroyer
    xx points

    thanks
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    Last edited by antique_nova; September 17th, 2009 at 22:51.
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    I don't have my codex here, but I'm fairly sure that Destroyers are a minimum of 3, so the first list with just 2 won't work, and again theres the issue of having a very expensive HQ section. I normally stay away from C'tan unless I'm not taking a lord, or it's at least a 2000 point game

    The second list: usually, don't bother taking warriors in groups of more than 10 or 12, your two 15s can be made into 3x10s for much more flexibility.
    Also, you don't have anything to go with your VoDing lord, and don't take the warscythe just because it's shiny (though it is) save it for the CC specialist lords
    Destroyers look solid though

    If your goal is a competitive tourney list, lets start at the bottom and work our way up.

    Any idea of enemies, or just an all comers list?

    What do you want the tactic to be? Look around the forum for ways do it, but off the top of my head comes the possibilities of: Destroyer spam, phalanx, flying circus, Wraithwing. (I know there are more, I went for the competitive ones, but feel free for other people to throw ideas in here, I mostly play friendly themed games, so not too much experience)


    From your three lists posted, it looks like you're really attached to the Veil of Darkness, so I'll continue on presuming you want a flying circus, but if its not what you want, feel free to stop reading here.

    Ok, well this is how I always start a list:

    1500 points, so that's 3x 10 warriors

    Add in a Lord of the flavor you want (SoL, VoD, R.O is the best way i think, but again other people with more experience in flying circus lists may know more)

    Then your group of immortals to fit the theme, pick between 5 or 10, 5 for maneuverability and easier DSing, or 10 for the extra firepower. I like 10

    (Again no codex, and I can't post exact numbers anyways, but I'd wager that runs up to about 700-800 )

    And the rest of the points are to play with as you like. Personally I love taking 'liths to keep my warriors company, but you seem to like Tomb spyders instead. You could take fast attack, which is always a good choice, or you could spam the crap out of more warriors, its totally up to you,
    The important part is to lock down the tactics essential (tooled lord+immortals) and warriors so you can't get phased and can take objectives, then with the points left squeeze in the fun stuff
    Last edited by Adalias; September 18th, 2009 at 03:30.

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    If you want to make a decent list either go
    3 monoliths
    or
    15 destroyers
    these are probley the only builds that will have much chance at winning games.

    Also you should either go 1 c'tan or 1 lord,having both is a big mistake and to much of a points dump on your phase out!
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