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hey guys me and a friend were talking earlier he saw a guy at a tournament play dark eldar with like 30 some odd dark lances, alot of raiders and ravagers too. Since dark eldar can take 2 heavy weapons per squad is it a good idea to max out on dark lances? Has anybody had experience using this type of list? since it would be a tournamet list I realize that it is probably pretty cheesy and most likely wouldnt play it in a fun game.
6x 10 warriors w/ 12 dark lances
6 raiders w/ dark lances
3x 8 wychs
3 raiders w/ dark lances
3 ravagers w/ dark lances
I believe the count is 13 vehicles and 31 dark lances.
Raider squads can only take 1 Heavy Weapon (Splinter Cannon/Dark Lance) and 1 Special Weapon (Shredder/Blaster) so your list is not legal atm.
Aside from that I think the list is far too one dimensional. You need some Dissintigrators in there for anti-infantry, some horrorfexes to supress attacks and some hard hitting units aka Archon/Dracon Incubi. Your Wych Squads need plasma grenades and a Sybarite with an Agoniser.
I thought I could take the regular squad and give them a raider i was not aware I had to take the raider squad my apologies. So the question is which is better taking all those raiders or the 2nd heavy weapon in a regular squad?
Generally I favour the Raider Squad as you get the missing Dark Lance on the Raider. Plus the Raider can move 12" and still shoot. Warrior squads have their uses though but for Dark Lance spam I would say Raider Squads all the way.
should i keep the ravagers all dark lance or switch to 2 disentigrators?
A lot of people like to take 1 DL 2 x Disintegrators on their Ravagers but I like to keep mine specialised. So I would reccomend equiping one or two with 3 x Disintegrators. But it's up to you of course.
ok hows this its 1998 pts. I didnt have the points for a archon unless i took out vect.
asdrabael vect - HQ
6x 10 warriors w/ 6 dark lances - TROOPS
6x raiders w/ dark lances
3x 6 wyches - ELITES
3 succubus w/ agonizer
3 raiders w/ dark lances and 3 horrorfex
3 ravagers - HEAVIES
3x disentigrators ( 1 ravager with 3 disentegrators )
You would need to throw a Gruesome Talisman in there somewhere to make it a legal list (remember that Vect can only join armies that are at least 2,000 points).
It's a nice list generally, for the amount of firepower is reaching nasty levels with 22 DLs & 5 disintegrators. What I would suggest though, is to take out one Wych Squad to free up 167 pts (plus a couple of Warriors for 183 pts, plus the 2 unused points for 185). Now you are able to put night shields on every vehicle except for Vect, who can't take one and doesn't so badly need it anyway. This will *really* improve the lifespan of your vehicles, and we all know that once the vehicles go down, DE are in a bad way. You have the long ranged guns to make proper use of your night shields by targeting and eliminating the opponent's long-ranged or fast targets that will be able to reach you, and then you don't have to worry about the rest of the army because you have the time to soften the various other units up and then assault them on your terms.
Good luck in the tournament.
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The “cheesy” list with lances would be every slot (every choice) has a raider and the squad min/maxed (minimum squad size, maximum special weapons). You can get 11 raiders in a list with 3 ravagers (14 skimmers total) and that is “cheesy” as your opponent would be overwhelmed by a highly mobile lance army.Has anybody had experience using this type of list? since it would be a tournamet list I realize that it is probably pretty cheesy and most likely wouldnt play it in a fun game.Not a total cc power house but a wonderful ravager – don’t let his AV fool you, he will die eventually.asdrabael vectThis can not be done. Warrior squads can’t take raiders. Raider Squads can but they would only get 1 dark lance in a squad.6x 10 warriors w/ 12 dark lances
6 raiders w/ dark lancesThere is no point in taking the wyches without a succubus with a power weapon – outfitting them properly would take points away. You need to decide if they are for CC or just for shooting otherwise buy them 2 blasters each and zoom them around for drive by shooting (harder than it sounds really).3x 8 wychs, wych weapons, 3 raiders w/ dark lancesI am a big dark lance ravager fan but in a list like this, shooting lances at a squad of shoota boyz or a squad of hormagants is almost point less. You still need something a little more for infantry since your troop choices aren’t made for anti infantry (and neither are your wyches). If you look at the list, your only power weapon is coming from Vect and I do not suggest he be charging into combat at all. I would recommend one ravager being all disintegrators to start with and go from there.3 ravagers w/ dark lances
I am definitely not encouraging this kind of list as it will eventually lead you to a boring game and frustrated friends. If winning is what you care about then you are on the right track down a lonely road.
Last edited by KwiKwag; February 25th, 2010 at 17:02.
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Thanks kwikwag and everyone for your help, like I said in a fun game I would probably never attempt a list like this but where I play its very competitive, especially in tournaments.