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    1850 - 600 point sidebar, tournament in September

    Hi, I'm playing in a tournament in September, very competitive...

    the concept is that you are supposed to have a core 1250 force, then 2 600 point detachments that you can alternate between battles.

    Here's what I'm thinking:

    1250 core:

    Ghazghkull - XXX

    18x Ard Boyz, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole - 220

    30x Slugga choppa boyz, 3x Rokkit, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole - 250

    25x Shoota Boyz, 2x Big Shoota, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole - 200

    10x Lootas - 150

    Battlewagon, Big Shoota, Deff-Rolla, Grot Riggas, 'Armor Plates - 125
    Battlewagon, Big Shoota, Deff-Rolla, Grot Riggas, 'Armor Plates - 125

    Total - 1295 (leaving 555 for the sidebars)

    Sidebar #1:

    Big Mek, KFF - 85

    20 Slugga Choppa Boyz, Rokkit x 2, Nob w PowerKlaw, Bosspole - 180

    11 Burnas - 165

    Battlewagon, Big Shoota, Deff-Rolla, Grot Riggas, 'Armor Plates - 125

    This is my version of a 3 battle wagon build, 2 big mobs on foot, 2 20 man mobs in battlewagons, and burnas! Lootas to open transports and draw fire.

    Sidebar #2

    Grotsnik - 160

    8x Meganobz, Cybork Bodies, 3 Rokkits, 3 Skortchas - 395

    The insane rabid monstrosity of a unit, 2+, 5+ Meganobs with FNP? Yes Please!

    What do you think? What would you do differently?

    I've got pretty much everything in the codex to work from, including 9 killa kand, 2 deff dreads, biker nobz biker bosses, deffkoptas, snikrot and kommandos, nobz on foot...

    I'd love to hear some advice on strategy and such!


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    Ok, I wrote a large response to this but it was eaten by the forum.

    Ghaz rocks.

    Take rokkits off slugga boys (they will be running all the time, so won't get a change to shoot their pointless weapons)... 3 rokkits on boys means 1 hit and almost no chance to pen. and the rest of the shots rendered pointless.

    Battlewagons, good.

    Burnaz - need a transport or they will die, quickly and without getting a shot in

    NEVER put grotsnik with Mega Nobz. When they disembark from the wagon. He will force them to walk towards closest enemy, so they may take out one squad, but a smart player will screw them. I once had a unit that followed an empty rhino, slowly and purposeful. Also, 2 basilisk shots will take out 2/3's of them, even with cybork.

    These lists are competitive against the right opponents, just not as super competitive as you would like. If you want me to retool it, I can, just ask. I think you are decent enough a writer though.
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    Okay, lets just say I take your advice and drop Grotsnik...

    Core:
    Ghazghkul
    Big Mek, KFF

    18 Ard Boyz, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole
    20 Slugga Choppa Boyz, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole
    25 SLugga Choppa Boyz, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole
    25 Shoota Boyz, 2 big shootas, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole

    2 Deffkoptas, Rokkits, 1x Buzzsaw
    2 Deffkoptas, Rokkits, 1x Buzzsaw

    1250

    Sidebar 1:

    Battlewagon, Armor plates, Grot Riggas, Big Shoota, Deffrolla
    Battlewagon, Armor plates, Grot Riggas, Big Shoota, Deffrolla
    Battlewagon, Armor plates, Grot Riggas, Big Shoota, Deffrolla

    10 Burnas

    Burnas w Big Mek in Battlewagon, Ard boyz w Ghazzy in Battlewagon, 20 Boyz in Battlewagon, 50 boyz on foot, and outflanking/first turn charging deffkoptas.

    Sidebar 2:

    3x KillaKans, Rokkits
    3x KillaKans, Rokkits
    3x KillaKans, Grotzookas
    28x Grotz 2x Runtherds

    Everyone walks, behind the KAn/Grot screen, then Ghazzy waaaaghs and its all over but the crying...

    Dropped lootas... don't know how I feel about that.

    I would definitely like your help, i want to make this the best ork list possible, and I'min the process of building and painting still, so it would be nice to settle on something so I don't need to paint TOO many unnecessary models...

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    Much Much Much better. Your points are wrong for the Core... it came to 1360

    ok, here is how I would tweak this

    Core:
    Ghazghkul - 225
    Big Mek, KFF - 85

    8 Lootaz - 120

    8 Lootaz - 120

    18 Ard Boyz, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole - 220
    20 Slugga Choppa Boyz, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole - 160
    25 Slugga Choppa Boyz, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole - 190
    25 Shoota Boyz, 2 big shootas, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole - 200

    Sidebar 1:

    Battlewagon, Armor plates, Grot Riggas, 2 x Big Shoota, Deffrolla - 135
    Battlewagon, Armor plates, Grot Riggas, Big Shoota, Deffrolla - 130
    Battlewagon, Armor plates, Grot Riggas, Big Shoota, Deffrolla - 130

    9 Burnas - 135

    Burnas w Big Mek in Battlewagon, Ard boyz w Ghazzy in Battlewagon, 20 Boyz in Battlewagon, 50 boyz on foot, and outflanking/first turn charging deffkoptas.

    Sidebar 2: (not evceryone will agree with me here, so 3 choices)

    3x KillaKans, Rokkits - 150
    3x KillaKans, Grotzookas - 135
    3x KillaKans, Grotzookas - 135

    3 x Warbuggies, TLR - 105 (can't find where to use the extra 5 points... no matter... the point of this is target selection, watch them freak out when they are deciding, do they take the KK or Buggies, or orks)

    OR

    Sidebar 2:

    3x KillaKans, Rokkits - 150
    3x KillaKans, Grotzookas - 135
    3x KillaKans, Grotzookas - 135

    7 Lootas - 105 (ok, not the best, could be better, but if you are allowed to add them to the other lootas, great to bolster their lines)

    OR

    Sidebar 2: (all of these are 5 points short... ha ha ha)

    3x KillaKans, Rokkits - 150
    3x KillaKans, Grotzookas - 135

    14 Kommandos w/Snikrot, 2 x burnas - 240
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    I like what you've done!

    More lootas are always nice, the problem i always have with them is they flee off the board in almost every game...

    Something that concerns me a little is taking boyz squads that are not at full strength, is 25 a solid unit?

    I'll take another run at construction when I get to work today.

    Thanks for the feedback!

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    Here's what I've distilled it down to.

    Core:

    Ghazghkul - 225
    Big Mek, KFF - 85

    18 Ard Boyz, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole - 220
    20 Slugga Choppa Boyz, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole - 160
    25 Slugga Choppa Boyz, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole - 190
    25 Shoota Boyz, 2 big shootas, Nob w Power Klaw, Bosspole - 200

    10 Lootas - 150

    Total 1250

    Sidebar 1:

    Battlewagon, Armor plates, Grot Riggas, Big Shoota, Deffrolla - 130
    Battlewagon, Armor plates, Grot Riggas, Big Shoota, Deffrolla - 130
    Battlewagon, Armor plates, Grot Riggas, Big Shoota, Deffrolla - 130

    14 Burnas - 210

    Total 600

    Sidebar 2:

    3 Killakans, Rokkits - 150
    3 Killakans, Rokkits - 150
    3 Killakans, Grotzookas - 135
    11 Lootas - 165

    Total 600

    I checked into it and the rules for the sidebar are hard points limits, they cannot shift, AND i cannot add or remove things form the core force, like adding 2 'Ard boys when they're on foot etc.

    Another option for a sidebar that I've been considering is:

    Sidebar 3:

    3 Killakans, Rokkits - 150
    3 Killakans, Rokkits - 150
    3 Killakans, Grotzookas - 135
    Deff Dread, Xtra Dccw, Skortcha, GrotRiggas, Armor plates
    15 Grotz, Runtherd

    Or, I like Snikrot...

    3 Killakans, Rokkits - 150
    3 Killakans, Rokkits - 150
    13 Kommandos, 2x Burna, Snikrot
    15 Grotz, Runtherd

    Having trouble deciding which one...

    Further analysis?

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    As for the boyz, 25 is enough. My rules of thumb in no less than 20 without a trukk.

    Out of the 3 2 of them are very good, I am personally not a fan of deff dreds, he will not do nearly as much damage as the lootaz or snikrot.

    If I was running the lists, I would take the snikrot sidebar. He is a great distraction, especially when kanz are commin, because you are kan walling the lootas may have a hard time getting a shot off. While snikrot may not make his points back directly, he will stop the enemy shooting your kanz for a time. and that is priceless
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    Lets settle on using Snikrot and Kans, what configuration would be optimal?

    uld I run 3x3 Kans, and 10 Kommandos with Snikrot and 1 burna

    or the way I listed it before with Grotz?

    Also, the idea of 14 burnas in the battlewagon makes me salivate like a madman, is that an effective use of points?

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    What about:

    3x Kans, Grotzookas
    2x KAns, Rokkits
    2x KAns, Rokkits
    15x Kommandos, Snikrot, 2x Burna

    = 600 points!

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    actually, nekra is right, that is a great way to run it.

    As for the burnaz, they are not the most competitive thing in an ork list. But they way you have set them up in that team... it is great and strong
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