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    1500 New Codex, Lance spam

    Just playing around with the new codex rules, thought I'd see how much Lance I could squeeze into 1500.

    Haemonculus
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    3 Trueborn w/ 3 x Blasters
    Raider w/ Dark Lance, Retrofire Jets
    146
    3 Trueborn w/ 3 x Blasters
    Raider w/ Dark Lance, Retrofire Jets
    146
    3 Trueborn w/ 3 x Blasters
    Raider w/ Dark Lance, Retrofire Jets
    146

    5 Wracks
    Raider w/ Dark Lance, Retrofire Jets
    115
    5 Wracks
    Raider w/ Dark Lance, Retrofire Jets
    115
    5 Wracks
    Raider w/ Dark Lance, Retrofire Jets
    115
    5 Wracks
    Raider w/ Dark Lance, Retrofire Jets
    115
    5 Wracks
    Raider w/ Dark Lance, Retrofire Jets
    115
    5 Warriors
    Raider w/ Dark Lance, Retrofire Jets
    110

    Ravager w/ 3 x Dark lance, Retrofire Jets
    110
    Ravager w/ 3 x Dark Lance, Retrofire Jets
    110
    Ravager w/ 3 x Dark Lance, Retrofire Jets
    110

    1503pts


    18 Dark Lances (36" S8 AP2 Heavy 1, Lance)
    9 Blasters (18" S8 AP2 Assault 1, Lance)

    Everything can move 12" and fire all weapons, everything can deep strike.
    Haemonculus goes with the Warriors, so all troops choices have FNP.


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    Sorry I haven't had a chance to see the new codex firsthand. Is there a rule that lets the Trueborn still fire when their raider moves 12"?

    Also do wracks count as scoring? I sort of assumed that being mindless shamble monstrosities that they wouldn't, but maybe they're not quite as mindless and shambling as grotesques.

    As for the list, 12 raiders/ravagers at 1500 points would be pretty intimidating and you have no real priority targets so there's nothing to focus on but this list seems like it'd be not very interesting to play (for either side) and it'll def struggle against infantry hordes (loota spam orks etc.), but I'm thinking you made this list more to see how badly you could break the new codex rather than as a list you'd actually use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs_n_Orks View Post
    Sorry I haven't had a chance to see the new codex firsthand. Is there a rule that lets the Trueborn still fire when their raider moves 12"?

    Also do wracks count as scoring? I sort of assumed that being mindless shamble monstrosities that they wouldn't, but maybe they're not quite as mindless and shambling as grotesques.

    As for the list, 12 raiders/ravagers at 1500 points would be pretty intimidating and you have no real priority targets so there's nothing to focus on but this list seems like it'd be not very interesting to play (for either side) and it'll def struggle against infantry hordes (loota spam orks etc.), but I'm thinking you made this list more to see how badly you could break the new codex rather than as a list you'd actually use.
    Trueborn carry Blasters, which are Assault weapons. Their vehicle is open topped.
    Wracks do (I believe) count as scoring.

    It will definitely struggle against Loota spam, for example, but Infantry Hordes in general shouldn't be too bad as they're generally short ranged. Could always swap Wracks for Warriors with Splinter Cannons to lay down a hail of poison fire. But yes, you're right, just playing around and see what can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs_n_Orks View Post
    Is there a rule that lets the Trueborn still fire when their raider moves 12"?
    I think they are still limited to the normal 6" cruising speed rules.

    Lot of lance weapons in the newer books - wonder if blessed hulls will make a reappearance in the GK/inquisition codex.

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    no it's 12 inches. and that DE army will find it hard to beat entrenched units like devestators and guardsmen etc.... for everything else their the dark lance spam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antique_nova View Post
    no it's 12 inches.
    12" is still cruising speed for raiders isn't it? The question was about passengers firing.

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    Look up the rule book.
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    I'm with A.T. on this one, the transport rules say
    Quote Originally Posted by rulebook pg. 66
    Models firing from a vehicle count as moving if the
    vehicle moves, and may not fire at all if the vehicle
    moved at Cruising speed that turn.
    Fast vehicles get to fire more weapons when they move at cruising speed than other vehicles but they still count as moving at cruising speed.

    I agree that it doesn't make much sense that if their transport moves 12" and they disembark they can shoot, but if they stay on board they can't. Until recently thought that passengers could fire, but I got into an argument about this during a game and couldn't find anything rules wise to back it up.
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    Models firing from a vehicle count as moving if the
    vehicle moves,

    Ok, that part is very clear.

    and may not fire at all if the vehicle
    moved at Cruising speed that turn.

    It doesn't matter if the vehicle is fast, a skimmer or whatever. As long as the vehicle moves at cruising speed, the guys inside can't shoot. It lists vehicles, not specific types. It means all any vehicle.

    I hope that helps to clear things up.

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    Models firing from a vehicle count as moving if the
    vehicle moves,

    Ok, that part is very clear.

    and may not fire at all if the vehicle
    moved at Cruising speed that turn.

    It doesn't matter if the vehicle is fast, a skimmer or whatever. As long as the vehicle moves at cruising speed, the guys inside can't shoot. It lists vehicles, not specific types. It means all any vehicle.

    I hope that helps to clear things up.

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