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    [1850] Kabal (tournament list)

    Ok.. This is my first shot at a "tournament-size" army, and I actually consider using this list for tournaments, as I like DE much better than CWE. What do you think? How would you rate its comp. score? I have some concerns about the list..

    A) Should I drop the blaster incubiĀ“)

    B) Should I put blasters in the wyche squad?

    C) Do I spend too many points on my HQ?

    D) Do I need bigger and fewer warrior squads?

    E) Do I need power weapons, p.blades or agonisers for the sybs in the raider squads?

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    HQ (525):

    Archon (131)
    + Argoniser
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Shadow Field
    + Combat drugs

    6 Incubi (205)
    + 2x Blaster
    1 Incubi Master

    2 Warriors (38)
    + 2x Splinter Cannons

    Raider (65)
    + Disentegrator
    + Horrorfex

    Drachite (86)
    + Agoniser
    + Combat Drugs
    + Splinter Pistol

    ---------------

    Elites (454):

    8 Wyches (220):
    1 Succubus
    + Agoniser
    + Splinter Pistol
    (Drachite Rides In This Squad)
    Raider
    + Disentegrator
    + Horrorfex

    9 Wyches (234):
    1 Succubus
    + Agoniser
    + Splinter Pistol
    Raider
    + Disentegrator
    + Horrorfex

    ---------------

    Troops (716):

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    9 Warriors (158)
    + Splinder Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + CCW
    Raider
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator

    9 Warriors (158)
    + Splinder Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + CCW
    Raider
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator

    ----------------

    Heavy Support (140):

    Ravager
    + 3x Disentegrators
    + Night Shield

    Total: 1835


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    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    What do you think?
    See below

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    How would you rate its comp. score? I have some concerns about the list..
    7/10 bit troop light

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    A) Should I drop the blaster incubiĀ“)
    YES

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    Should I put blasters in the wyche squad?
    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    C) Do I spend too many points on my HQ?
    Yes a bit, too many Incubi (drop to 5), too many upgrades on the raider, should give a Lord with Incs a punisher, Master is not worth the points, Shadowfield should be on the independant HQ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    D) Do I need bigger and fewer warrior squads?
    Slightly different warrior squads, 4 sniper squads is overkill I would say only take 2, 3 if you know you will be facing alot of armour, so more different and bigger than fewer and bigger. Use the points saved on HQ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    E) Do I need power weapons, p.blades or agonisers for the sybs in the raider squads?
    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    HQ (525):

    Archon (131)
    + Argoniser
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Shadow Field
    + Combat drugs
    Drop the field.

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld

    6 Incubi (205)
    + 2x Blaster
    1 Incubi Master
    Drop the Master and the Blasters

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    2 Warriors (3
    + 2x Splinter Cannons
    Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    Raider (65)
    + Disentegrator
    + Horrorfex
    I would drop the dissie

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    Drachite (86)
    + Agoniser
    + Combat Drugs
    + Splinter Pistol
    Add a shadow field

    ---------------

    Elites (454):
    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    8 Wyches (220):
    1 Succubus
    + Agoniser
    + Splinter Pistol
    (Drachite Rides In This Squad)
    Raider
    + Disentegrator
    + Horrorfex
    Again with dropping the dissie. Also add Plasma grenades.

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    9 Wyches (234):
    1 Succubus
    + Agoniser
    + Splinter Pistol
    Raider
    + Disentegrator
    + Horrorfex
    Ditto.

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances
    Drop two of these and either get 2 more raider squads OR a big footslogger squad, your army looks like it wants the raider squads though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    9 Warriors (15
    + Splinder Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + CCW
    Raider
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator
    Ago for the syb, otherwise all good. Dissie is nice on these as it distracts attention from your more important raiders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    9 Warriors (15
    + Splinder Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + CCW
    Raider
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator
    Ditto



    Quote Originally Posted by Farseer Sareld
    Ravager
    + 3x Disentegrators
    + Night Shield
    Text book

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    Ok, I have made some changes, and this is the best I could come up with. I do inspect to play against much armor, my two most frequent opponents is tank heavy IG and a very suit-happy tau. Now what do you think?

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    HQ (414):

    Archon (115)
    + Punisher
    + Tormentor Helm
    + Combat drugs

    4 Incubi (100)

    2 Warriors (38)
    + 2x Splinter Cannons

    Raider (60)
    + Horrorfex

    Drachite (101)
    + Agoniser
    + Combat Drugs
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Shadow Field

    ---------------

    Elites (464):

    8 Wyches (165):
    + 2x Blasters
    1 Succubus
    + Agoniser
    + Splinter Pistol
    (Drachite Rides In This Squad)
    Raider (60)
    + Horrorfex

    9 Wyches (179):
    + 2x Blasters
    1 Succubus
    + Agoniser
    + Splinter Pistol
    Raider (609
    + Horrorfex

    ---------------

    Troops (828):

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    9 Warriors (118)
    + Splinter Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Agoniser
    Raider (65)
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator

    9 Warriors (118)
    + Splinter Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Agoniser
    Raider (65)
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator

    9 Warriors (118)
    + Splinter Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Agoniser
    Raider (65)
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator

    ----------------

    Heavy Support (140):

    Ravager
    + 3x Disentegrators
    + Night Shield

    Total: 1846
    Last edited by Sareld; July 19th, 2005 at 19:16.

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    Pretty good, I would suggest trying to fit some splinter cannons in your raider squads, maybe by dropping a wyhce or two... nothing else to say really.

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    I do have splinter cannons + blasters in my raider squads, gotta love those things..

    I thought about the list a lot, and would this be better? It adds more wounds to the HQ, and adds plasma grenades to the assault squads, and it furthermore lets me use the smashing archon I have already converted, but it denies me those 3+ saves and 8 punisher attacks/round.. Im torn.

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    HQ (365):

    Archon (108)
    + Agoniser
    + Combat Drugs
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Plasma Grenades

    9 Warriors (94)
    + 2x Splinter Cannons

    Raider (60)
    + Horrorfex

    Drachite (103)
    + Agoniser
    + Combat Drugs
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Plasma Grenades
    + Shadow Field

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    Elites (502):

    8 Wyches (183):
    + Plasma Grenades
    + 2x Blasters
    1 Succubus
    + Agoniser
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Plasma Grenades
    (Drachite Rides In This Squad)
    Raider (60)
    + Horrorfex

    9 Wyches (199):
    + Plasma Grenades
    + 2x Blasters
    1 Succubus
    + Agoniser
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Plasma Grenades
    Raider (609
    + Horrorfex

    ---------------

    Troops (834):

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    10 Warriors (100)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    9 Warriors (120)
    + Splinter Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Agoniser
    + Plasma Grenades
    Raider (65)
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator

    9 Warriors (120)
    + Splinter Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Agoniser
    + Plasma Grenades
    Raider (65)
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator

    9 Warriors (120)
    + Splinter Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Agoniser
    Raider (65)
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator

    ----------------

    Heavy Support (140):

    Ravager
    + 3x Disentegrators
    + Night Shield

    Total: 1841
    Last edited by Sareld; July 19th, 2005 at 20:40.

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    This can work quite well, but remember because of the lower save of your warriors your lord is now more prone to being broken due to casualties, just a thought.

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    Yeah.. but it also takes more starcannon shots to force a Ld test now, plus he can FoF if need be, the incubi lacks that ability. Another thing I consider, although it is perhaps a but of rules-lawyering..

    What if I dropped the Archons retinue, gave him the shadowfield, and put him in a wyche or warrior raider? In that way, he could do the long drug charge when he got of, and the rest of the raiders contents could then tag on in the next round or so if they were not close enough of shot rather than FoF ect.

    And as for the Drachite, I could buy the wyche squad shes in as a retinue rather than an elite choice, thus preventing that she is targeted as an IC in cc.

    Seriously, your advice rocks. I would add to your rep if I could, but the repbot says that I need to spread some more rep around before I can add to yours again...

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    New rules say your drachite still gets targeted as an IC sadly so best to keep her seperate and jsut ahve her join the squad, dropping the retinue is what I would do if not taking incubi, as incubi are really there fro troop killing punch and warriors just don't cut it... the long charge is what I use with my IC's all the time wehn I use that style of HQ its not rules lawyering its playing smart.

    Thanks for the compliment mate.

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    Ok, for good orders sake, here is my final list. I have removed raiders and retinue from my HQ, and they are now riding with the wyches. The points I gained have been used to buy another ravager with dissies. The wyches have always had wyche weapons, but I forgot to write it down until now.. Oops.

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    HQ (211):

    Archon (133)
    + Agoniser
    + Combat Drugs
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Plasma Grenades
    + Shadow Field

    Drachite (88)
    + Agoniser
    + Combat Drugs
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Plasma Grenades

    ------------------

    Elites (502):

    8 Wyches (183):
    + Wyche Weapons
    + Plasma Grenades
    + 2x Blasters
    1 Succubus
    + Agoniser
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Plasma Grenades
    (Drachite Rides In This Squad)
    Raider (60)
    + Horrorfex

    9 Wyches (199):
    + Wyche Weapons
    + Plasma Grenades
    + 2x Blasters
    1 Succubus
    + Agoniser
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Plasma Grenades
    Raider (60)
    + Horrorfex

    ---------------

    Troops (850):

    11 Warriors (108)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    11 Warriors (108)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    11 Warriors (108)
    + 2x Dark Lances

    8 Warriors (112)
    + Splinter Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Agoniser
    + Plasma Grenades
    (Archon Rides In This Squad)
    Raider (65)
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator

    9 Warriors (120)
    + Splinter Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Agoniser
    + Plasma Grenades
    Raider (65)
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator

    9 Warriors (120)
    + Splinter Cannon
    + Blaster
    1 Sybarite
    + Splinter Pistol
    + Agoniser
    + Plasma Grenades
    Raider (65)
    + Horrorfex
    + Disentegrator

    ----------------

    Heavy Support (280):

    Ravager
    + 3x Disentegrators
    + Night Shield

    Ravager
    + 3x Disentegrators
    + Night Shield

    Total: 1843
    Last edited by Sareld; July 21st, 2005 at 18:34.

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