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    First nid list (1,500 pts)

    Ok, hopefully I will soon finalize a trade that will get me started out with a nice sized nid army. I have been playing around with armies and have decided to try to go for a balanced list. Here goes.


    Hive Tyrant: 197 pts
    Glands- +1 I, +1 WS
    Toxin Sacs
    Acid Maw
    Winged
    Warp Field
    2x Scything Talons

    3x Warriors: 114 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Extended Carapace
    Toxin Sacs
    Deathspitter
    Rending claws

    16x Termagaunts: 96 pts
    Fleshborer

    16x Termagaunts: 96 pts
    Fleshborer

    16x Hormagaunts: 176 pts
    Glands- +1 I

    16x Hormagaunts: 176 pts
    Glands- +1 I

    3x Winged Warriors: 123 pts
    Glands- +1 I
    Winged
    Scything Talons
    Rending Claws

    3x Winged Warriors: 123 pts
    Glands- +1 I
    Winged
    Scything Talons
    Rending Claws

    Carnifex: 168 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Extended Carapace
    Reinforced Chitin
    Barbed Strangler
    T.L. Deathspitter

    Carnifex: 168 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Extended Carapace
    Reinforced Chitin
    Barbed Strangler
    T.L. Deathspitter

    Zoanthrope: 60 pts
    Warp Blast
    The Horror

    Total: 1,497 pts

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    So there is my list, I would really like to have been able to get in some stealers but i dont know what to drop for them.

    I also wonder if it is better to give my CC warriors leaping and ext.carapace instead of wings.

    Lastly I wonder If I should find the points to give at least one 'fex a VC instead of the deathspitters.

    Any help is appreciated

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    Well well a fellow Nebraskan and a nid player to boot should of looked in here earlier :yes: .

    Alright your HT is pretty good CC one though I prefer the devil tyrant (2 TL dev give yous 12 shots that reroll to hit and wound) but that is mainly since I have had him do so well.

    Your shooty warriors look pretty good don't really need any changes.

    Well you have a nice amount of gaunts and also a lot of synapse support so that isn't too bad. Though you deffinatly should get some genestealers IMO. So you probally should go for two 6 man squads bare bones as they only cost 96pts which isn't too bad and isn't a huge loss if they all die. Though where you would get the points really depends first I would move your flying warriors into elite section and give em leaping and EC so they have a better chance of surving though you might want one squad to stay with your HT. You could lower the amount of hormagaunts you have to 12 man squads though that will only get you 88pts so you might just have to drop one warrior squad to get the others (which isn't too bad since stealers are mostly better at CC then warriors anyways).

    On your carnifexs I would probally drop the EC and deathspitters so you can get a VC which should help them take out takes a lot more (I don't think you need EC as much with two carnifexs with 5 wounds each though depends on your area).

    On your zoanthrope I would deffinatly give your zoanthrope synapse as he can add a nice vital roll of a 2+ synapse so you can have a nice durable synapse creature and also so you won't die from str 8 weapons or more.

    Well for your first list it was pretty good (a lot better then what mine were lol) and should do fairly well.
    Is it me or does any other necron player get annoyed when they see people saying "Necrons eat souls". How is that even possible as souls are part of the warp and necrons want nothing to do with it? Eh probaly me just me being picky.

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    Thanks for the help Lictor, kinda amazing that I would run into another nebraskan here on
    L-O :wacko:

    I think I am going to take your advice on the Fex's so I can get some str 10 goodness in there. I think I also might follow your advice for the winged warriors just because it will save points and I dont want to have to go find wings to put on em =P. Ill be coming p with a new list soon.
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    Ok, here is my new list.

    Hive Tyrant: 197 pts
    Glands- +1 I, +1 WS
    Toxin Sacs
    Acid Maw
    Winged
    Warp Field
    2x Scything Talons

    3x Warriors: 108 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Extended Carapace
    Toxin Sacs
    Devourer
    Rending claws

    3x Leaping Warriors: 114 pts
    Glands- +1 I
    Extended Carapace
    Leaping
    Scything Talons
    Rending Claws

    3x Leaping Warriors: 114 pts
    Glands- +1 I
    Extended Carapace
    leaping
    Scything Talons
    Rending Claws

    12x Termagaunts: 72 pts
    Fleshborer

    12x Termagaunts: 72 pts
    Fleshborer

    12x Hormagaunts: 132 pts
    Glands- +1 I

    12x Hormagaunts: 132 pts
    Glands- +1 I

    Carnifex: 163 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Reinforced Chitin
    Barbed Strangler
    Venom Cannon

    Carnifex: 163 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Reinforced Chitin
    Barbed Strangler
    Venom Cannon

    Zoanthrope: 65 pts
    Warp Blast
    Synapse Creature

    Total: 1,332 pts

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    ok I have 168 points left, this means I can either take 8 genestealers with extended carapace, or 10 barebones genestealers. Or I can use the points on something else.

    You might also notice that i switched the Deathspitters on the warriors with Devourers because I decided that I wanted quantity of shots over quality of shots =P.

    Any helpful criticism is welcome
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    Ya you usually don't think you would run into many Nebraskans online PERIOD lol (you know since we I think have one GW store in the entire state...and it only just recently got licenced too or at least that is what one of my buddies said).

    Well your list isn't too bad though if your really want massed firepower go with a dakka fex (2 TL dev and ES) as you may get 4 less shots but they are TL and at str 6 and on a durable carnifex for only 5pts more so if you really want some added massed firepower go for that (though you do lose synapse you actually have a decent amount and not too many gaunts anymore) on another plus side is it can go in the elite slot as well.

    The rest of your list looks pretty good though you may want more termagaunt but since you don't have anymore points to get some more total of 24 isn't too bad I guess.

    For this list I would probally go for 8 genestealers with EC as you won't be able to have a ton of other distractions for your enemy to shoot at so that is probally your best bet plus they usually last longer too (except for me as I am horrible at rolling 4+ saves...).
    Is it me or does any other necron player get annoyed when they see people saying "Necrons eat souls". How is that even possible as souls are part of the warp and necrons want nothing to do with it? Eh probaly me just me being picky.

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    Ok, I have another list that I came up with and I want to know how these two compare.

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    List #1

    Hive Tyrant: 197 pts
    Glands- +1 I, +1 WS
    Toxin Sacs
    Acid Maw
    Winged
    Warp Field
    2x Scything Talons

    3x Warriors: 108 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Extended Carapace
    Toxin Sacs
    Devourer
    Rending claws

    3x Leaping Warriors: 114 pts
    Glands- +1 I
    Extended Carapace
    Leaping
    Scything Talons
    Rending Claws

    3x Leaping Warriors: 114 pts
    Glands- +1 I
    Extended Carapace
    leaping
    Scything Talons
    Rending Claws

    12x Termagaunts: 72 pts
    Fleshborer

    12x Termagaunts: 72 pts
    Fleshborer

    12x Hormagaunts: 132 pts
    Glands- +1 I

    12x Hormagaunts: 132 pts
    Glands- +1 I

    8x Genestealers: 160 pts
    Extended Carapace

    Carnifex: 163 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Reinforced Chitin
    Barbed Strangler
    Venom Cannon

    Carnifex: 163 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Reinforced Chitin
    Barbed Strangler
    Venom Cannon

    Zoanthrope: 65 pts
    Warp Blast
    Synapse Creature

    Total: 1,492 pts

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    List #2

    Hive Tyrant:156 pts
    2x Twin-Linked Devourers
    Enhanced Senses
    Toxin Sacs
    Warp Field

    3x Warriors: 108 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Extended Carapace
    Toxin Sacs
    Devourer
    Rending claws

    3x Warriors: 108 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Extended Carapace
    Toxin Sacs
    Devourer
    Rending claws

    12x Termagaunts: 72 pts
    Fleshborer

    12x Termagaunts: 72 pts
    Fleshborer

    12x Hormagaunts: 132 pts
    Glands- +1 I

    12x Hormagaunts: 132 pts
    Glands- +1 I

    8x Genestealers: 160 pts
    Extended Carapace

    8x Genestealers: 160 pts
    Extended Carapace

    Carnifex: 163 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Reinforced Chitin
    Barbed Strangler
    Venom Cannon

    Carnifex: 163 pts
    Enhanced Senses
    Reinforced Chitin
    Barbed Strangler
    Venom Cannon

    Zoanthrope: 65 pts
    Warp Blast
    Synapse Creature

    Total: 1491 pts

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    Well there they are, the second list has far more ranged and for that reason I am kind of iffy about it, I like to think of a tyranid list as being balanced or leaning towards the assault.

    Anyways any Suggestions on which is better and why is appreciated.
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    Im not a nid epert but i think list one definetly is a tougher nut to crack. The main reason is it is much faster with the winged HT and Leaping Warriors getting into CC much faster. The only weak side to list one in my opinion is the Gene Stealers, i know everyone thinks they're absolutely awsome, and they are, but a squad of 8 with only a +4 save? I would give such a squad a 50/50 chance of even gettting into CC, cuz you know everyone is gonna be gunning for those damn reding claws of cheezyness. If your going to get them, take them in numbers (the two squads you have in your second list would be good), that way you give your enemy more targets and fire will likely be diluted. There is something to be said for lists that have that sort of redundancy built in.
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    well I guess what I could do is take List #1 and completely drop the 2 squads of Hormies, then I could take another squad of stealers and use the remaining 108 pts to flesh out the termagaunt squads and/or add more stealers to the two stealer squads.

    Any thoughts on this?
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    Well sorry I haven't commented on your list in awhile as I have been camping this entire weekend and no access to a computer .

    I also prefer the first one as well though I think you should test out the devil tyrant with it as well as you may like it or hate it so I say give it a try (plus if give it the things it needs 1pt cheaper if that means anything :shifty: ).

    Though I don't agree with getting another genestealer squad and drop the hormagaunts as you only need you oppenent to panick about one squad and focus on it. Then your warriors and HT can make it unhurt and rend just about as good as your stealers (with I5 and I4 they should be able to do ok). Plus with the hormaguants you can tie up a lot more units thus haveing a better chance for the rest of you force to make it into CC and if they shoot them instead oh well your rending isn't being shot at then.
    Is it me or does any other necron player get annoyed when they see people saying "Necrons eat souls". How is that even possible as souls are part of the warp and necrons want nothing to do with it? Eh probaly me just me being picky.

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