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    New to this forum, so tell me what you all think

    Im not new to 40k but I am new to this forum so rip this list apart and tell me what you think.

    Dracon: Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
    +5 Warriors: 2x Darklance
    +Raider: Dark Lance
    181

    Dracon: Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
    +5 Warriors: 2x Darklance
    +Raider: Dark Lance
    181

    5x Wyches: Wych Weapons, Haywire Grenades
    +Succubus: Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
    +Raider: Dark Lance
    185

    5x Wyches: Wych Weapons, Haywire Grenades
    +Succubus: Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
    +Raider: Dark Lance
    185

    7x Raider Squad: Dark Lance, Blaster
    +Raider: Dark Lance
    126

    7x Raider Squad: Dark Lance, Blaster
    +Raider: Dark Lance
    126

    7x Raider Squad: Dark Lance, Blaster
    +Raider: Dark Lance
    126

    7x Raider Squad: Dark Lance, Blaster
    +Raider: Dark Lance
    126

    7x Raider Squad: Dark Lance, Blaster
    +Raider: Dark Lance
    126

    7x Raider Squad: Dark Lance, Blaster
    +Raider: Dark Lance
    126

    Ravager: 3x Disintegrator
    120

    Ravager: 3x Disintegrator
    120

    Ravager: 3x Disintegrator
    120

    Total Points: 1848
    Total Models: 79(13 vehicles)

    The Raider squads tend to deploy out of the raiders, in cover. The Raiders/Warriors focus fire to kill the most potent threats on the first turn. The Ravagers do some nasty anti-infantry hunting and the Wyches clean up the rest in combat(they can charge out of their Raiders). another option is to drop 1 warrior from each squad and get Night Shields for the Ravagers but I don't like that much. I could also drop 1 warrior from each squad, drop 1 raider squad all together and get a Sybarite for the rest of them, each with an Agoniser. This gives them some versatility(not to mention Wraithlord massacreing ability both form shooting and assaulting). I could also drop the Wyches for Jetbikes but I like the mounted squads more. Another idea is to drop both Dracons and get a beast Archon squad-killer with a few Incubi in his retinue.

    What do you guys think of this


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    Hi, first of all I think that its against the rules to post point costs of any models here (GW copyright thing).
    The HQ - retinues with dark lances are hamstrung as they can't assault due to having heavy weapons, use splinter cannons instead.
    The Elites - wyches have haywire grenades? You are better of using these beauties as purely against other troops and not vehicles (warriors with dark lances are good for this purpose.)
    The Troops - raider squads with dark lances suffer from the same problem as your HQ, give these guys either blasters or splinter cannons so they can assault and stiil fire on the same turn.
    Vehicles - Ravager choices are great!
    Basically you seem to like dark lances and I would recommend that you use some sniper squads comprising of 10warriors on foot armed with 2 dark lances per squad. This would be a cheap heavy weapon team with 2 lance weapons and 10 wounds, pretty tough if you ask me.
    Your tactics would have to reflect the force you have assembled and this army looks to me like a "Raider Rush " type. This is not as effective as it once was but when it works, it works very well. Give it a go with these changes in mind but you have to get the first turn and the charge bonus to get all this to work well.
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    The way it's posted is quite alright - unit totals are fine on here, just don't post individual stats and/or wargear/model costs. :yes:

    Though, in the future, please post army lists in the Army Lists subforum - I'll go ahead and move this thread for ya. ^_^

    ~Thread moved.

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    Thanks for moving it and sorry about that. This is actually the wrong list I didnt mean to post this one. I have many and typed the wrong one. Will have the real one up soon.

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    nvm will make new thread
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    Before you repost your army list, I would like to point out some things about the currently existing one. It seems that there is a number of thngs in it that could be changed to increase its potential.

    1. Drachon needs agoniser, combat drugs, tormentor helm, splinter pistol and preferably shadow field. hell mask if you are facing low Ld models or plan on using many anti Ld weapons like horofexes and terofexes. Warriors are pointless in CC HQ since they become simply meatshields. Incubi are the way to go for a raider CC HQ, usually 4-6 will do but no more, you dont want to overkill. Forget the warriors and assault weapons, warriors with splinter annons are wasted in CC while assault weapons are one shot weapons before you hit CC thus punishers are the best option. Raider's weapon depends on oponent, but I usually rely on disintegrators.

    2.I dont think you need 2 HQs in this battle list. Its simply too expensive.

    3.If you expect wyches to kill ANYTHING then you want to maximize their number or take at least 7 of them with the succubus. Wych weapons are obviously a must and plasma grenades are strongly suggested. Assault weapons are a waste just like for incubi, haywires I find useless as well unless you have a very specific use for them. Succubus needs wych weapons too, plasma grenades preferably and I like the use of hell masks, since I like haveing my oponent test for Ld, eventually he will fail. The best weapon to support wyches is a disintigrator since its a good anti armor multi firing weapon, even logicaly you want to fire as many shots to force enemies to take cover while your CC troops run without being fired at.

    4.You DEFINITELY dont need this many raider squads, unless of course you have a very specific tactic. This many raiders just drains your points. You might want to consider a coule sniper squads for cover fire, for me they work very well. 10 men with 2 lances provides very good cover fire and I dont have to worry about who survives when the raiders go down due to their toilet paper armor. Anyway, you might want to consider at least 2 sniper squads.
    But seriously, 6 raider squads is a hell of a lot. The only units that use raiders in my force are wyches and incubi, the troops section is compesed of all sniper squads and I have to admit they are very usefull.

    5.3 ravager if quite a lot, you are spending so many points on your vehicles that you are forgeting troops, for example boosting up the wych squads to full, upgrading them and making a powerfull HQ instead of wasting points on 2 weak onse. When armed with disies, 2 ravagers is plenty for a 2k battle.

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    Personally I think this army is dreadful, not only is it just bad, its dead boring too, 6 identical troops choices? Maxing out on dark lances at every possible location?

    Starting with the HQ, you have a lord, equipt for combat, with an agoniser etc... with a bodyguard of shooty warriors with dark lances... how does that work? While your standing still, popping tanks with your dark lances, your lord is just sitting there not being able to do a thing in combat, same the other way around.

    Then you have your wych squads which are far too small, and don't have plasma grenades (which they should always have, don't want to waste that high I) And you've given them haywire grenades instead, how many tanks are you planning on going against??? With that many dark lances why do they have overpriced haywire grenades that conflict with their role as close combat specialists?

    Your 6 troops choices are boring to say the least, and if their just there to maximise on dark lances, they might as well not have the raiders since if they don't have them, the squads can have 2 dark lances each, still boring though. Have some variety, where are your splinter cannons, where are your full raider squads with sybarites or something? Whats going to happen when you come against an ork army with 2 full gretchin mobs, are you going to dark lance them to death?

    Now ravagers with disintegrators are really good, their powerful and killy, but once again, why 3 identical ones, why not put some bikes in or something, a talos, anything?

    Overall this list is an abomination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenozuma
    Personally I think this army is dreadful, not only is it just bad, its dead boring too, 6 identical troops choices? Maxing out on dark lances at every possible location?

    Starting with the HQ, you have a lord, equipt for combat, with an agoniser etc... with a bodyguard of shooty warriors with dark lances... how does that work? While your standing still, popping tanks with your dark lances, your lord is just sitting there not being able to do a thing in combat, same the other way around.

    Then you have your wych squads which are far too small, and don't have plasma grenades (which they should always have, don't want to waste that high I) And you've given them haywire grenades instead, how many tanks are you planning on going against??? With that many dark lances why do they have overpriced haywire grenades that conflict with their role as close combat specialists?

    Your 6 troops choices are boring to say the least, and if their just there to maximise on dark lances, they might as well not have the raiders since if they don't have them, the squads can have 2 dark lances each, still boring though. Have some variety, where are your splinter cannons, where are your full raider squads with sybarites or something? Whats going to happen when you come against an ork army with 2 full gretchin mobs, are you going to dark lance them to death?

    Now ravagers with disintegrators are really good, their powerful and killy, but once again, why 3 identical ones, why not put some bikes in or something, a talos, anything?

    Overall this list is an abomination.
    I think thats exactly what I just said, except I put it into a little more nicer way. Besides, the guy is a newby give him a break.

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    Like I said, that was the wrong list. I wanted to post the 2500 point one. I know this list sucks. It was made by a friend of mine who is obsessed with Dark Lances. We used once and it didnt even works against Armored Company. Anyways all points are taken with great consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WraithGuardian
    I think thats exactly what I just said, except I put it into a little more nicer way. Besides, the guy is a newby give him a break.
    Yeah, your right, I was a bit over the top. Apologies all round.

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