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This is a revised list. i haven't played with it yet, but I'm hoping it would perform well. If you have any suggestions or criticisums please fire away!
Dracon+punisher+tormentor helm+combat drugs+shadow field+plasma gren+animus vitae=127
9 Wyches+wych wep+succ+agoniser+2 blasters+raider+dissie+horrorfex=220
10 Warriors+ 2 dark lances=100
10 Warriors+ 2 dark lances=100
10 warriors+syrabite+poison blades+splinter can+blaster+dissie+horrorfex=171
9 warriors+syrabite+poison blades+splinter can+blaster+horrorfex=158
Hi, first off this looks like a nice solid list for a 1k point game. There's a few things I would change but not much. I would get rid of the Blasters in your Wych squad since they just cut into your CC ability, and then drop the Disintegrator off the Raider squad to upgrade one of your Poisoned Blades to a Agoniser. After that I might drop a couple of the Horrorfexes, 1 of the Disintegrators off of the Ravager or Wyches Raider, or even the Animus Vitae for a 2nd Agoniser, but it's not really neccesary.
I disagree about the wych blasters. The standard argument is that if the wytches are in combat 2 rounds you have lost 4x S3 attacks to gain 2 S8 ap 2 shots before and after combat. My wyches quite often are one of the only remaining units in his deployment zone at the end of the game and there's always at least 1 tank left. It's nice to be able to finish it off. PLus they are very handy at taking a wound off a Chaos Lord or Tyrant before you charge it since the regular wych attacks are not likely to do anything.
I would consider dropping the animus vitae unless you know you can activate it (ie you play eldar or IG alot)
On the assumption that your last 2 warrior squads are actually Raider squads... you can only hold 9 models in a raider. The first squad should be 8+Syb w Agonizer so that the Dracon can attach
The second squad might be better off without the Raider add another splinter cannon and more warriors
The only unit that can assault into cover with impunity is your Dracon. You might want to find a way to get your wyches some grenades (drop the dissies on the raiders?)
War Record Since Sept 2005
Old Codex 48-20-9 Dark Eldar
New Codex 1-0-0 Dark Eldar
Opps, meant to say the two of the warrior squads are mounted in raiders!
Drop one of the Sniper Squads and try to find more points for another Raider Squad, or mayabe even some warp beasts to be a distraction.
In small battles, I always conserve points to make it seem like we heavily outnumber our opponent. What I would usually do is make many 8 man squads (including the sybarite w/ agoniser) and have 1 cannon, and 1 blaster per squad, mounted on a Raider and ready to go. These squads would sum up to 105 points +another 55 for the transport.
I don't think it's a good idea to put a horrorfex on both raiders. Maybe one can use it, because when the Raider goes down, and it will, it's +5 points to the enemy, and I would rather deny him as many points as possible.
Also, Medic I disagree with having Blasters on Wyches. The heavy weapons on Raiders and the warriors inside, plus the Sniper Squads should be enough to weaken his enemy before assaulting them with wyches or warrior squads. The Raider is just like a vyper, with BS4 and 10 points cheaper that can carry troops, an amazing vehicle.
i cant see the poit in having a super expensive drachon, when you can get a close combat monster of an archon for similar points. here:
Archon - 131
shaddow field, agoniser, combat drugs, pistol
although this is how most people run him, its the most effective. drachon are only usuful as a cheap way to bring incubi into a list.
as for the wyches, it should be the succubus doing most of the damage, so i doubt the blasters will make much diference if you have the points.
theres nothing wrong with horrorfexs. and its only 5 damn points! why complain when such a good upgrade is so cheap...
also, dark lances are best on veichles, when they can just pop out and blow up the first tank that shows its face. in my 1k, i use 2 ravagers, on dissie equpt and one DL equipt. but you have one more raider thn my list. so, id leave all the dissies on your raiders, and leave the ravager with dark lances. cheapest can opener in the game (i think. not that ive read every single codex....)
keep those 2 sniper squads too. two is alwayshandym, as they drop too damn quickly.
lastly, get plasma grenades on he wyches, even if you have to drop one to do it. at I6, you should never go without them.
good luck, tim
No no no and no!
The archon you have described is a character and monster hunter, you are prioritising the +1 attack over the damage potential, the Drachon, which is 4 points cheaper (significant so many times) is a troop hunter, 1 less attack, yes, but the key here is the strength difference str 6 attacks wound marines on 2+ thats a lot better than 4+, even with the extra attack. Personally I almost never use an Archon sub 1750, they are too expensive for what you get as the Drachon is almost the same unless your fighting stealers and your HQ shouldn't be fighting stealers. Thats why you have guns and warriors as fodder. If you are fighting stealers you can switch your drug combo to ASF and +1 Attack or Reroll as the extra str isn't as important against them adn str 5 is good enough.
The promissed critique.
Your choice, but I would recommend dropping all the dissies except the ones on the ravager and either dropping a warrior or the horrorfexes to upgrade these to Agoniser wielding sybarites. Remember as they are not independant cahracters they can not be singled out. Use your hidden power weapon abilities .
I would ask what your plan is and how you intend to run the game, you should be dictating terms of play so think about what terms you wish to dictate and how you want your opponent to react.
I would ask what your plan is and how you intend to run the game, you should be dictating terms of play so think about what terms you wish to dictate and how you want your opponent to react.[/QUOTE]
Cheers for the thoughts,
I've kinda revised the list now and sent it to your hotmail for you to have a look at.
The plan is to have the 2 sniper squads stay back giving covering fire while the rest advance. The ravager supports either offensively or defensively.
If you look at my mail I sent it's a better list I think.
Plus, the only place you can get disintigrators is on raiders or ravagers and they look well worth it!
with an agoniser, your an ANYTHING killer. you do wound anything on 4s...
a drachon as a troop killer? you need attacks to do that with, and a better WS wouldnt hurt either. when his drugs fail, hes dead. when he fails a save, hes dead. piss off the vitae and upgrade to an archon. now THATS as troop killer!
Last edited by timk1111; October 23rd, 2006 at 10:31.