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Papa Karmoon needs to sharpen his 1500 list quite a lot, it's grown flabby and out of line through disuse.
Please, no holes barred, go at it with as much gusto as you can muster
The only thing I can't really field is gargoyles, until i figure out how to convery my plastics anyway...
>>>Genestealer retinues x 5
- Toxin Sacs
- Flesh Hooks
- Extended Carapace
- Flesh hooks
> Shooty Warrior x 4(for some long ranged support and skimmers)
- Death spitter x3
- Venom Cannon x 1
- Scything talons x 4 (I've just thought this is a horrible waste...)
- Enhanced senses
[^_^;;] toxin sacs <-- this has been here since the start.. honest..
> CC warriors x4
- Flesh hooks
- Adrenalin - i
- Scything and rending
- Extended carapace
Genstealers x 6
Genestealers x 7
Termagaunts x 8
Spine gaunts x 8
Hormagaunts x 8
Hormagaunts x 8
Red Terror - 105 points
Ravener x 2
Scything rending claws
> Zoanthrope x 2
- Warp Blast
Thanks in advance for your help
Whaddya mean you're not going to help me??? :cry:
Last edited by Karmoon; December 4th, 2006 at 13:00.
My only real suggestion: Take two broods of 1 Ravener rather than 1 brood of 2. You also seem a bit short on 'tar pit' numbers in the gaunt broods... but I'm really not sure what I'd suggest dropping to fix that. As I'm not a fan of The Red Terror, I can't offer any advice about him except that, since he's not in the codex, make certain your opponent is OK with you using him.
I don't really see the point of you mixing spine and termagaunts. It just means that you are spending more points for less gaunts or you are using points on spine gaunts that could be used for termagaunts that could shoot.
You also don't have any extended caraprace on your genestealers that would help them a lot.
Other than that, Poptarts ninja has it covered.
Originally Posted by The Paint Monkey
the only thing I have is on your shooty warriors. Since you likely won't want them in close combat anyway I suggest giving them all spinefists rather than talons. They're cheaper, and since I'd think you don't want to get in CC anyway (and make all your shooting weapons useless) there's no real reason for the talons.
But, other than that, I think poptarts covered everything. Overall, not a bad list.
@ warrior 47
This is largely due to a modelling decision. I also happen to quite like the flesh borer. IT's like a bolt pistol on drugs, and people often ignore gaunts only to get shocked by the reroll S4 weapon.
I will consider gteting more gaunts though. You can never have enough gaunts as they said back in the day.
As for extended carapace on genestealers, I think it's a waste because it's a misuse of stealers. It is nice in CC and it's great when you can afford it, but i honestly believe that if your stealers are being shot at without a cover save, then you're doing something wrong, or you're really unlucky.
I'm trying to learn to use my stealers as well as possible without having to rely on a 4+ against basic arms fire. Humour me
A very good point. Unfortunately you'll notice that they have toxin sacs which gives me the autocannon.
This puts them in at the same price bracket as scything talons. As they're not monstrous they can't shoot both weapons and i can't imagine a situation where i'd rather shoot spinefists over death spitters. Also, I don't intend to assault, but they may get assaulted.
A very good point though.
Thanks for all your help. I shall work on redoing the list...
Last edited by Karmoon; December 4th, 2006 at 01:33.
Well Karmoon the first thing you did wrong is...the Red Terror isn't 105...its 104 :tongue: . So that frees up a good 1pt for ya just incase ya need it somewhere :shifty: .
Though I do agree with you on stealers not always needing EC the one thing is I would always put EC on your retinue stealers for your broodlord as he could use all the protection he can get for his slow march.
Also I do think you need more bulk on your gaunt units as they are really to fragile at the moment to do anything of much use.
Otherwise the list looks pretty good though just needs a few more tweaks here and there.
Is it me or does any other necron player get annoyed when they see people saying "Necrons eat souls". How is that even possible as souls are part of the warp and necrons want nothing to do with it? Eh probaly me just me being picky.
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I'm at a bit of a quandry. I love TMCs.. but i also want a fairly decent body count. I'm beginning to see the folly of the brood lord now.
How about just having warriors as HQ, lumping the hormies/gaunts together and getting another batch of 'stealers and pimp up other stuff.
I'm quite keen on the red terror.
I didn't see anything that said toxin sacs... and I still don't...
But, if they have them, then yes, that build makes more sense. I apologize for my mistake.