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    2000 Alaitoc-ish Army

    Hi, heres a 2000pt army i've been testing and i would like your oppinions/critisism. Be Brisk, because i need the help :yes:

    HQ:

    Autarch 113
    +Swooping hawk wings, Banshee Mask, Power weapon, Fusion Gun

    Farseer 148
    +Singing Spear, rune of warding, runes of witnessing, spirit stones, Doom, Eldritch Storm

    Elites:

    10x Striking Scorpions 197
    +Exarch, Scorpions Claw, Biting Blade, Stalker

    6x Fire Dragons 286
    +Exarch, Firepike, Tankhunters
    +Wave Serpent w/ Starcannon, shruiken cannon, vectored engines

    10x Harlequin Troupe 270
    +harlequins kiss on all models, 2 fusion pistols, Shadowseer

    Troops:

    5x Rangers 120
    +Pathfinder Upgrade

    5x Rangers 120
    +Pathfinder Upgrade

    10x Dire Avengers 172
    +Exarch, Dire sword+shruiken pistol, defend, bladestorm

    Fast Attack:

    10x Swooping Hawks 252
    +Exarch, hawks talon, skyleap, intercept

    Heavy Support:

    5x Dark Reapers 187
    +Exarch

    Fire Prism 135
    +Vectored Engines


    Total Points= 2000

    My Plan is for the 2 pathfinder units to each be on a flank of the enemy, causing sniping mayhem to whatever units possible, trying to force pinning checks. The swooping hawks, depending on what type of army i'm versing, deepstrikes and uses the pie plate to take out a couple of models or uses those haywire grenades to good effect on the closest tank. The dark reapers do what they do best... take out heavy infantry. The direavengers wait at the front of the army, blasting away, and when the enemy gets close enough, they bladestorm then assault. The scorpions are a counter-charge unit, or a unit that "stalks" enemy characters. Fire prism either blasts any tanks that get too close or pie plates infantry. The farseer dooms and eldritch storms any unit that i feel has lived too long, and the harlequins use there movement and stealth to the best of there ability and try and get a charge. The autarch either leads the assault, or if the enemy has alot of tanks, flys around with either the swooping hawks or fire dragons.

    Advice please.

    Thanks in advance


    EDIT: PS= is it worth takin fusion blasters on the harlequins or should i take another psychic power on my farseer?

    Last edited by shadowsunXV22; December 16th, 2006 at 11:24. Reason: Need to ask a Question
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    Autarch 113
    +Swooping hawk wings, Banshee Mask, Power weapon, Fusion Gun
    Fine. He is usually most effective on a bike with a lance, but if fits your fluff this way then keep it.

    Farseer 148
    +Singing Spear, rune of warding, runes of witnessing, spirit stones, Doom, Eldritch Storm
    There are a few to many upgrades here(using many points). For an alaotic list I would take runes of witnessing, guide, and doom(just personal preference).

    10x Striking Scorpions 197
    +Exarch, Scorpions Claw, Biting Blade, Stalker
    Your going to want to put shadowstrike on these guys.

    10x Harlequin Troupe 270
    +harlequins kiss on all models, 2 fusion pistols, Shadowseer
    Nice and fluffy. Without a transport not all of them are going to make into CC, maybe drop a few kisses to free up some points and maybe add a troupe leader.

    5x Rangers 120
    +Pathfinder Upgrade

    5x Rangers 120
    +Pathfinder Upgrade
    Fine. Although, I would drop your autarch for another squad of these. They should produce much better.

    10x Dire Avengers 172
    +Exarch, Dire sword+shruiken pistol, defend, bladestorm
    Fine. Many options to choose from, try some play testing before deciding what is right for your army.

    10x Swooping Hawks 252
    +Exarch, hawks talon, skyleap, intercept
    I love these guys. If you freed up enough points maybe you could have 2 squads of 6. Destroy more vehicles and drop more grenades from above.

    5x Dark Reapers 187
    +Exarch
    Fine

    Fire Prism 135
    +Vectored Engines
    I would STRONGLY suggest putting spirit stones and holofields on this guy, you will not regret it. My friends pull out their hair trying to take it out.

    I really like your list there are just a few tweaks that I would make to it. I used to use an identical autarch and it never once made its points worth. Two farseers would be a much higher preference for myself. But, if you take away anything from my comments put holofileds and spirit stones on all grav vehicles with the exception of vypers. Good Luck!


    James
    Last edited by severi87; December 16th, 2006 at 11:40.

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    HI, and thanks for the reply severi87, i've got a list here thats a tweaked version of the older one.


    HQ:

    Farseer 133
    +Doom, Guide, spirit stones, runes of witnessing, singing spear

    Farseer 148
    +Singing Spear, runes of warding, runes of witnessing, spirit stones, doom, eldritch storm


    Elite:

    10x Striking Scorpions 182
    +Exarch, biting blade, stalker,

    6x Fire dragons 251
    +exarch, firepike, tankhunters
    +Wave Serpent w/ tl shruiken cannon, vectored engines

    10x harlequin troupe 226
    + 4 harlequins kiss, shadowseer


    Troops:

    5x pathfinders 120

    5x pathfinders 120

    10x Dire Avengers 157
    +Exarch, diresword+shruiken pistol, bladestorm

    Fast Attack:

    6x Swooping hawks 158
    +Exarch, skyleap, intercept

    6x Swooping Hawks 158
    +Exarch, Skyleap, intercept


    Heavy Support:

    5x Dark Reapers 187
    +Exarch

    Fire Prism 160
    +holo-fields, spirit stones


    Pretty much same plan except extra farseer guides my models + dooms enemies.

    Firstly, i didnt even need the autarch, i just liked the model, totally removeable.
    Second, this list is basically a mix between alaitoc and beil-tan (sorry for the title:cry: ), plus its just a thing i have, but i like kitted out farseers :yes:
    Third, Didnt take shadowstrike because the unit is mainly going to be a counter-charge unit.
    and to answewr the rest of your questions:
    1. Thanks for the advice, i used it
    2.need the autarch points for the extra farseer
    3.Tested them out today against a fellow eldar player. The combo wiped out a unit of howling banshees, and tide up a unit of scorpions in cc.
    4.hehe, pie plate
    5.ok then
    6. i took the advice about the holo fields and spirit stones.

    Thanks alot for the help.

    anymore advice on the current list would help
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    Farseer 133
    +Doom, Guide, spirit stones, runes of witnessing, singing spear

    Farseer 148
    +Singing Spear, runes of warding, runes of witnessing, spirit stones, doom, eldritch storm
    The Singing Spears are not that helpful if you think about it, I mean he is going to foot slog it up the table and that thing doesn't have a real long range. If you're going to use Spears give them a transport, otherwise just use the witchblades.

    10x Striking Scorpions 182
    +Exarch, biting blade, stalker,
    Honestly take the Shadowstrike. Scorpions are slow. There's no denying that. Since you don't have a transport for them, if you just walk it'll take ages to get them in cc.

    6x Fire dragons 251
    +exarch, firepike, tankhunters
    +Wave Serpent w/ tl shruiken cannon, vectored engines
    .

    Mm...I would advise dropping all the upgrades, including the Exarch himself. It's not worth it. Go see the thread about Fire Dragon Exarchs. And the Serpent hasn't got Spirit Stones. Standard procedure.

    10x harlequin troupe 226
    + 4 harlequins kiss, shadowseer
    This is great. Nothing wrong.

    6x Swooping hawks 158
    +Exarch, skyleap, intercept

    6x Swooping Hawks 158
    +Exarch, Skyleap, intercep
    Great again. Nothing wrong.

    5x Dark Reapers 187
    +Exarch
    No upgrades? I would personally drop one reaper to give the exarch some better weaponry, say EML with Fast shot. And even numbers are much better at holding table quarters.

    Fire Prism 160
    +holo-fields, spirit stones
    Cool, though you might consider Vectored Engines to avoid it crashing.

    It's a nice list overall. But what units do the Farseers join?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowsunXV22 View Post
    HI, and thanks for the reply severi87, i've got a list here thats a tweaked version of the older one.


    HQ:

    Farseer 133
    +Doom, Guide, spirit stones, runes of witnessing, singing spear

    Farseer 148
    +Singing Spear, runes of warding, runes of witnessing, spirit stones, doom, eldritch storm
    The first Seer is good. Drop the second for extra points or take an Autarch.

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowsunXV22 View Post
    Elite:

    10x Striking Scorpions 182
    +Exarch, biting blade, stalker,
    The Claw is better than the Biting Blade against most enemies. You either need to give these guys Shadowstrike, or send a Farseer with Fortune along with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowsunXV22 View Post
    6x Fire dragons 251
    +exarch, firepike, tankhunters
    +Wave Serpent w/ tl shruiken cannon, vectored engines
    Drop the Exarch and give the Wave Serpent Spirit stones.

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowsunXV22 View Post
    10x harlequin troupe 226
    + 4 harlequins kiss, shadowseer
    Another couple Kisses would help out.

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowsunXV22 View Post
    Troops:

    5x pathfinders 120

    5x pathfinders 120
    Good. They are much better than Rangers.

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowsunXV22 View Post
    10x Dire Avengers 157
    +Exarch, diresword+shruiken pistol, bladestorm
    Twin-Shuricats or Power Weapon & Shimmershield would work better.

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowsunXV22 View Post
    Fast Attack:

    6x Swooping hawks 158
    +Exarch, skyleap, intercept

    6x Swooping Hawks 158
    +Exarch, Skyleap, intercept
    Good


    Quote Originally Posted by shadowsunXV22 View Post
    Heavy Support:

    5x Dark Reapers 187
    +Exarch
    Either give the Exarch some up-grades or drop him.

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowsunXV22 View Post
    Fire Prism 160
    +holo-fields, spirit stones
    I prefer the Falcon as it is less fragile. It is too easy to get a Weapon Destroyed on a Prism and end up with a useless tank.
    Last edited by Scorpion_062; December 17th, 2006 at 03:23.
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    OK, i have a remade list, here it is=


    HQ:

    Farseer 133
    +Doom, guide, singing spear, runes of witnessing, spirit stones.

    Eldraad 210


    Elite:

    10x Striking scorpions 212
    +Exarch, scorpions claw, stalker, shadowstrike

    6x Fire Dragons 96

    10x Harlequin Troupe 226
    +Shadowseer, 4 kisses,



    Troops:

    5x Pathfinders 120

    5x Pathfinders 120

    10x Dire Avengers 152
    +Exarch, 2x shruiken catapult, bladestorm


    Fast Attack:

    6x Swooping Hawks 173
    +Exarch, skyleap, intercept, sunrifle

    6x Swooping Hawks 158
    +Exarch, skyleap, intercept

    Heavy Support:

    Falcon 200
    +EML, Vectored engines, holo-fields, spirit stones

    5x Dark Reapers 197
    +Exarch, EML

    Total Points: 1997

    I took Most of your advice Scorpion_062, as it is generally good advice, and changed my army around. I took Eldraad as i wanted him in my original army, and i had points left over, so hes a good edition for me . Fire Dragons go in falcon, same plan as before. Dark reapers, pathfinders, dire avengers, and swooping hawks have the same plan as before. The farseer goes with the dark reapers and guides them into a doomed enemy. Eldraad helps out with whatever psychic power fits the occasion. Harlequines still rune up the middle or flank, and hopefully dont draw fire because of the Veil of Tears power. And to whoever told me to put them in a transport, sorry, but you cant put them in a wave serpent as it says that nowhere in their army list section.

    Thanks for the advice.

    Any more advice would help, thanks in advance.

    Edit: Cost effectivness of the harles, using 5 normal models and 4 kisses so i dont have 3 normal models sitting at home in the closet
    Last edited by shadowsunXV22; December 17th, 2006 at 01:59.
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