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    Dark Eldar [1000] + [1500]

    ++TRANSMISSION BEGIN++

    1000 Points Dark Eldar

    Archon
    -Agoniser
    -Shadow field
    -Combat Drugs
    -Splinter Pistol

    131 PTS

    Dracon
    -Agoniser
    -Splinter Pistol
    -5x Incubi
    -Raider

    236 PTS

    Wytches (10)
    -Wytch weapons
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    213PTS

    Wytches (10)
    -Wytch weapons
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    213PTS

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS

    TOTAL 993 PTS

    1500 Points Dark Eldar

    Archon
    -Agoniser
    -Shadow field
    -Combat Drugs
    -Splinter Pistol
    -Webway Portal

    181 PTS

    Dracon
    -Agoniser
    -Splinter Pistol
    -5x Incubi
    -Raider

    236 PTS

    Wytches (10)
    -Wytch weapons
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    213PTS

    Wytches (10)
    -Wytch weapons
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    213PTS

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    -Sybarite
    -Webway Portal

    156 PTS

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS

    Talos
    100 PTS

    Talos
    100 PTS

    Talos
    100 PTS

    TOTAL 1499 PTS

    Is 30 Warriors enough to deploy the webway? I'm thinking of dropping a talos in order to beef out the amount or warriors I can throw down.

    Any other critique or criticism is appreciated.


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    One major problem.
    Your Webway portals will have your talos, correct?
    Your WWPs are all footslogging. They will take a LONG time to get there. And all that thime they are getting shot up. Truse me, something needs to go into a raider. Or both into a raider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post
    ++TRANSMISSION BEGIN++

    1000 Points Dark Eldar
    Archon
    -Agoniser
    -Shadow field
    -Combat Drugs
    -Splinter Pistol

    131 PTS
    This guy is somewhat expensive for 1000 points, I'd consider droppng him to a dracon or, well dropping him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post
    Dracon
    -Agoniser
    -Splinter Pistol
    -5x Incubi
    -Raider

    236 PTS
    I would switch the ago for a punisher and tormentor helm, it just fits witht he rest of the squad then and stops you being tempted to go after bigger targets tahn are sensible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post
    Wytches (10)
    -Wytch weapons
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    213PTS

    Wytches (10)
    -Wytch weapons
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    213PTS
    These are fine. if you can squeeze PG form aomewhere they would be better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS
    These are OK.

    I think for a 1000 points list you have gone abit top heavy I would advise droppign the archon and reducing the wyche squads to 5-6 each. I would then advise adding another warrior squad or raider as a replacement to bulk up our numbers, or a ravager if you want more firepower.


    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post

    1500 Points Dark Eldar

    Archon
    -Agoniser
    -Shadow field
    -Combat Drugs
    -Splinter Pistol
    -Webway Portal

    181 PTS
    Nothing wrong here except as a WWP delivery system I might suggest using a Dracon, but in 1500 you can get away with an archon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post

    Dracon
    -Agoniser
    -Splinter Pistol
    -5x Incubi
    -Raider

    236 PTS



    see above

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post
    Wytches (10)
    -Wytch weapons
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    213PTS

    Wytches (10)
    -Wytch weapons
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    213PTS
    Nothing wrong here, but again PG would be handy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    -Sybarite
    -Webway Portal

    156 PTS

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS
    I think you've made an error in your troop selection here. you need splinter cannon/blaster sybarite squads to move your portal if your going to footslog it, two of these are usually best, one with a portal and one to cover your portal carrying HQ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post

    Talos
    100 PTS

    Talos
    100 PTS

    Talos
    100 PTS
    Even coming out of a portal these will be a tad alte to arrive to the battle, but only by a turn if you position well I think 3 is too many (you need more warriors), but it can be doen.

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    Some nice points all around, thanks.

    I'v decided to drop a talos, and beef out the warriors and grab some blasters on the wytches with the extra points. Regarding the dracon, an agoniser costs less points than a punisher + tormentor helm, and is really only less effective against t3 opponents.

    1500 Points Dark Eldar

    Archon
    -Agoniser
    -Shadow field
    -Combat Drugs
    -Splinter Pistol
    -Webway Portal

    181 PTS

    Dracon
    -Agoniser
    -Splinter Pistol
    -5x Incubi
    -Raider

    236 PTS

    Wytches (10)
    -Wytch weapons
    -Blasters 2
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    223PTS

    Wytches (10)
    -Wytch weapons
    -Blasters 2
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    223PTS

    Warriors (20)
    -2x Splinter Cannons
    -Sybarite
    -Webway Portal

    236 PTS

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS

    Talos
    100 PTS

    Talos
    100 PTS

    TOTAL 1499 PTS

    Any more thoughts?

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    T4 opponents. Punishers add to your strength. And Incubi are all the same way, so why not match the squad? Aside from that, your warriers might have enough men to pull off an all-out run to where the portal comes in. What about your Archon? What will he be doing? How about dropping a Wytche and having him jup in and tag along on a raider?It just gets your portal there faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongooseo View Post
    T4 opponents. Punishers add to your strength. And Incubi are all the same way, so why not match the squad?
    The agoniser is LESS effective against T3 opponents, on par with the punisher on T4 opponents, and better against T5+ opponents. The punisher + tormentor helm costs MORE than an agoniser. I'd rather save the points.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongooseo View Post
    What about your Archon? What will he be doing? How about dropping a Wytche and having him jup in and tag along on a raider?It just gets your portal there faster.
    The archon will use his IC status to help deploy one of the portals. With combat drugs, he'll be able to make it to assult in a decent time. NONE of the raiders start on the table. They're far too fragile.

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    Re-analysis for ya. First though a note on punishers, On a lord a punisher can boost his strength to 5, which, against t4 enemies like space marines means he wounds on 3's, which is better than an agoniser, in normal combat +1 Attack works out better (and the same as the agoniser) aginst T4's, but on the charge +1 Str is king. Also 2+ wounding on t3's which are, after all, a very common group is awesome.

    AS for going against T5+ opponenets you shouldn't be doing that with incubi, its just a bad plan, so the lord with them shouldn't be doing it either its another reason not to take an ago, so your not tempted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post
    1500 Points Dark Eldar

    Archon
    -Agoniser
    -Shadow field
    -Combat Drugs
    -Splinter Pistol
    -Webway Portal

    181 PTS
    You talk about using independant character status, this is usually done by hiding him behind a squad of 15+ warriors while he advances. On his own he will not have the neccessary protection to avoid a buttload of shots when standing still for a turn and probably won't survive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post
    Dracon
    -Agoniser
    -Splinter Pistol
    -5x Incubi
    -Raider

    236 PTS
    See above about the punisher, but stick with the ago if you want, personally I'd switch out some Incubi for warriors with SC, but thats just me alot of people disagree with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post
    Wytches (10)
    -Wytch weapons
    -Blasters 2
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    223PTS

    Wytches (10)
    -Wytch weapons
    -Blasters 2
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    223PTS
    I still think these squads are a little too large. Do you really expect your opponent to have that many close assault specialists that you will ened two massive squads? Wyches are barely better than warriors at killing regular troops its their survivability that sets them apart not their dmaage output so I owuldn't suggest using them as an all killy unit, your Incs do that well and wyches will win, just not massively quickly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post
    Warriors (20)
    -2x Splinter Cannons
    -Sybarite
    -Webway Portal

    236 PTS
    This suqad is ok, but how about dropping a couple of warriors and picking up blasters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS
    Sniper squdas are fine, but do you really need 2, wouldn't a baby sitter fro your lord be better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlinspike View Post

    Talos
    100 PTS

    Talos
    100 PTS
    These are OK, but still going to be a little slow as always, however with your WWP delivery system they should only be 1 turn behind everyone else which isn't bad at all.

    Overall:

    Are you sure you need an archon wouldn't a drachite or dracon be better?

    Do you want to leave your archon out alone?

    Waht is the purpose of the very large wyche squads?

    Why only 3 units of warriors?

    Do you need both taloi?

    Answer these questions and take wahtever advice you want and I'll give it another look over for ya.

    Or just ignore me if you don't like what I'm saying, I won't mind .

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    Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it.

    Some changes:

    -Archon dropped to a Drachite
    -Sniper squad turned into a Drachite baby-sitting squad
    -lost 2 wytches and blasters on each unit

    I'm interested, how do you use your wytches? Would 7 plus the succubus be enough?

    I'd rather play with at least 2 taloi. Having more than one makes rolling bad on the attacks less hurtful to me.

    1500 Points Dark Eldar

    Drachite
    -Agoniser
    -Shadow field
    -Combat Drugs
    -Splinter Pistol
    -Webway Portal

    181 PTS

    Dracon
    -Agoniser
    -Splinter Pistol
    -5x Incubi
    -Raider

    236 PTS

    Wytches (
    -Wytch weapons
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    187PTS

    Wytches (
    -Wytch weapons
    -Succubus
    -Agoniser
    -Raider

    187PTS

    Warriors (20)
    -2x Splinter Cannons
    -Sybarite
    -Webway Portal

    236 PTS

    Warriors (20)
    -2x Splinter Cannons
    180 PTS

    Warriors (10)
    -2x Dark Lances
    100 PTS

    Talos
    100 PTS

    Talos
    100 PTS

    TOTAL 1492 PTS

    I'm thinking about dropping some warriors for blasters. What do you think?

    Also 8 points left, still tinkering!

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