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i was looking on another 40k group i belong to and one person asked why flamers/burst cannons wouldnt be a good choice for your crisis suits. and in a small moment of genuis, i came up with a great camparison (at least in my eyes:shifty that will help people understand why not. im hoping we can have this pop up as a flashing neon sign before anyone startes typing thier list down. lol
"puting flamers/burst cannons on your crisis suits is like puting flamers and storm bolters in your devistator squad. it still works, but thats not what thier made for and its doing what other things do better."
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However in game terms Tau have a major disadvantage and thats the comparative lack of mid strength, low AP weapons platforms.
Stealth fusions are a real no no, they compromise the stealth field to much and they just do not fit the intended role of the unit.
Piranhas are very fragile and the fusion is just to short ranged (should be 12" same as a landspeeder)
Plasma on XV88's is a total waste of time
Fire Warriors have no heavy weapon or plasma/Melta type weapon option
So really we are left with the humble XV8 as the only real mid strength/Low AP weapons platform and as such it should be used to provide this scarce resource, using them to mount burst cannons is in my opinion just silly as we have plenty (more than plenty) of STR5 weaponry and flamers, well they just negate the XV8's movement advantages and leave them to exposed to either shooting or
Yep, I agree wholeheartedly that Flamers have specific times and places for being used; they are ideal in CoD, for example. One use I have for a Heatwave (TL-Flamers with "X" as third hard point, usually BSF) is as a Kamikaze in the Farsight Deathbomb unit, taking him with a Failsafe Detonator for "that difficult moment" when Farsight fails his Ld!
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I've experementing with a crisis running the AFP and T.L. Burst cannons H.W. Multi tracker. So far he's turned out to be a bit of a wild card, with the scatter the AFP does either nothing, or digs an enitre unit of pathfinders out of cover. The burst cannons just back up the AFP, low AP multiple shots to go with a horde hunter weapon.
Now, now. You cant paint weapons with a brush like that. burst cannons have their place and so do flamers but its a harder argument.
You waste your time apeironer, almost all of the tau players here believe the flamer to be absolutely useless in a tau army with no redeeming qualities; same goes for burst cannons on anything that is not a stealth suit, devilfish, or hammerhead.
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It depends on what you want to accomplish, a Burst cannon and MP equipped XV8 with multi can be useful, in games with lots of terrain offering cover saves the volume of fire can actually produce better results than a fireknife, same goes for the flamer.
However these are quite limited usages and scenario restricted, but if you play manly COD or very heavy terrain (building type cover) then the BC and flamer can do OK.
The point is though that they do struggle (BC & flamers) against heavily armoured opponents like termies and this is where the low AP weapons shine, this and the fact that we have very little in the way of low AP platforms, I know I repeat this point a lot but it is a vital point.
If you actually sit down and look at the 40K armies the sheer amount of stuff high TGH (again 4/5 or 6) is quite large and we have very little in our list which can effectively deal with them, the XV8 with plasma, fusion and even the MP (though its AP is average) are our greatest ond really our only asset and resource to counter these tough units.
It should also be remembered that most of these tougher units come with very good armour saves (3+ highest and usually 2+) and if not armour saves INV, try taking down a TGH6, extended carapace, multiple wound Carnifex with a BC and MP or a flamer and you will soon see what I mean.
Even the Piranha does not have the volume of firepower available to take down say a wraithlord but a Helios Shas'El can do some serious damage fast.
Its not about disliking a unit or just plain knocking it, its about what works best for the Tau as a whole, you have to take the whole army into account when your deciding on its components, yeah take a few BC, flamer equipped suits but your going to leave your list severely lacking in the capability to handle tougher opponents and this is why BC and flamers are not a good idea in lists that have to handle a range of opponent types in a variety of terrain types.
Like I said they can be used but they are very restrictive in what they can be used for, flamers especially rely on an abundance of cover to allow the XV8 to at least have a chance of avoiding shooting or assault, which is much more likely due to its closeness to the opponents units due to its very bad range.
When I say that Burst cannons should not be taken on pain of death etc, its only in jest, if anyone wants to use them its fine, I do personally believe that taking them is a bad idea and they should not be an XV8 armoury choice, but thats all it is 'my opinion' but I have strong reasons for believing this and I can provide arguments/discussion to back up my POV, however if anyone showed me a way to use em that worked, then fine I would be the first to recommend them, as it stands I would not recommend them.