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My dad plays 40K Necrons and wants to know whether he should get the Deceiver or the Nightbringer. Help please? (I dont' know the answer 'cause I play 'Nids)
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Hmmm... Interesting topic and I am sure the result will be a close vote for both. NB is more expensive, but more deadly in combatI think. TheD has nice special abilities, and is a bit cheaper, but the difference will only buy you one more Tomb Spyder at the most... IMHO if you are burning points on them for a CC monster, use the NB. If you want to redeploy your Monolith after it deploys (into Reserves ;o) bring TheD...
For your dad though, I'd say buy the model that he would like to paint more
BTW: Where is the poll?!?
Deciever, because the NB is slow and expensive, why have that when you can have the big D and all his cool evil tricks?
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I think the majority of players will tell you the Deciever is better due to his abilities, and the fact that he still has the same main characteristics as the Nightbringer that make him uberpowerful... walking through walls, ignoring all saves, exploding when he dies, insane stats (including better Inititive than the Nightbringer)....
Overall, the Deciever is great because he is still one of the greatest single models in the game yet can play with your opponents mind too. Don't get me wrong, Mr NB is better for raw HTH potential.... but honestly, the Deviever has the punch in HTH due to his stats and can alter the game without just slowly walking across the table to beat something into a pulp via HTH
Here is a link to a very recent thread of basically the same topic
Hopefully this can convince you that the Deciever is the Chief, and Mr Nightbringer is secondbest:happy:
Ehh dont listen to dat jonesiey boyz! he's jast jealOUS of da NightBringa's bigga claw den da Deciever. On that note, I vote for the NightBringer
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Deceiver, for all the reasons jONESIE listed.
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I may not use Necrons but I think the Nightbringer is the nastiest of the pair. The reason for this is simple he is more destructive. The only point of bring a C'tan along is to destroy stuff. It is true the Deciever has a variety of fancy powers however for the insane points cost of the Deciever and therefore the insane cost of these powers he is pitiful for what you get. When I see the Deciever I think "hello point sink".
An example is his ability to hop away when assaulted. This may seem good that he can avoid being butchered by something like Genestealers however if the all-powerful star god is running for the hills he is no longer a problem. The real target of anyone fighting a C'tan isn't the C'tan but the Necrons. Destroy enough and they all vanish. When this is done the C'tan goes with them which eliminates it as a problem. The C'tan are meant to be running the Necrons however they must be used to protect the Necrons and the Deciver isn't as good at this as the Nightbringer.
The C'tan are a unit which has the purpose of 'roadblock'. It is big and nasty and hard to get around. It needs to be used in such a fashion to be able to justify the huge points cost invested in it. The Decievers abilities though granted can be a minor problem they are never a major one. His ability to avoid a fight whenever he wants gives him a tendency to avoid any fight he might lose which makes him rather harmless at times.
The Nightbringer can't avoid a fight hence he tends to hang about and actually work for a living. Basically the Decievers abilities don't justify spending so much points on him. His ability to avoid difficult fights means he protects himself while his Necrons are attacked instead and then it is only a matter of time before they phase out.
The Nightbringer won't do this and basically forces to use him meaning you are more likely to get your points back. The Deciever is more appealing because he is easy to use, but easy to use means poor methods and his uses are limited.
Last edited by Leech; August 22nd, 2007 at 09:24.
I must admit Leech, you do highlight an overlooked point: mainly Etheric Tempest.
I used the Nightbringer to hang around one side of the battle line, and deter the enemy to go to the other side... before Mr NB sweeps into the center of the battleline and just sweeps everything away. High Strength opponents are shot first to make sure you can continue to shoot and not be bogged down in HTH.
'Spose it comes down to the psychological aspects of each C'tan. Nightbringer knows you won't wanna fight him, but fight the actual Necrons. He'll use this to scare you around, make you stall you attacks, and basically be really shirty about facing 'Death' on the table.
Deciever exploits this ideology, due to the comparison of the two C'tan, and is viewed as the 'easier' one to fight. People easily forget that Mr Dec can still squish your Characters, and generally do nasty things. (even if he is annoying during deployment) His Hit and Run can be used to protect himself, to propell himself towards another area of the battleline, or tag teamed with teleport, leave a hardcore unit (Terminator Powerfist goodness) in the middle of nothing, looking down the barrell (hopefully pinned later too for another go next shooting phase). Either way, I feel you can be just as aggressive with the Deciever as the Nightbringer, only difference being that you need an escape mechanism to make up for Etheric Tempest.
I must agree, however, that the Deciever can be very fickle, and needs some luck, due to the randomness and reliance on dice and failed Ld tests for his abilities.
Either way, .... gah! I just know anymore. Get both models!! But get the Deciever one first hehe
Last edited by jONESIE; August 22nd, 2007 at 15:12.
Etheric tempest isn't that godo vs marines because ti doesn't affect them.
However it is good vs everything else.
At the end of the day the deceiver is superior, the difference in points does not jsutify the extra kill or two per turn the NB will get of the deceiver.
Aslo the deceivers abilities aid the necron army in ways most players do not fully utilise, he can literally make it so you can destroy armies piecemeal as they close in on your warriors.
Having considered this some more I do have to admit my perspective is probably a little off as I use Tyranids. From my perspective the C'tan aren't as big a problem as thier minions as Tyranids have heaps of biomorphs and bio-weapons for killing big monsters. Infact most of the time we don't get to use them.
Seeing a C'tan show up can have us drooling at the prospect of actually getting our implant attacks (multiple wound stinger thing) to work.
Back to the original topic, I would now say that the Deciever may be the best if used properly. He may be however hard to use, just hard to use in a way that isn't obvious, hence people think he is easy to use but not as good and probably why they say the Deciever a rather shady chap.
Personally being curious and not a Necron player if I were to get Necrons I would probaly go for the Deciever and learn how to use him, you have to learn sometime. Though playability isn't everything and I think the Nightbringer model is better. The Deciever reminds me of David Bowie, don't ask why.
Last edited by Leech; August 22nd, 2007 at 19:22.