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I absolutely love the Dark Elves in FB, the models, the look of the army and they have some great units. It would appear that the Dark Eldar are the 40k "equivalent" if you will. I barely have time to work on my current armies so I have no intention of actually starting a Dark Eldar army in the next year or so (although I may buy the codex and give them a run out on VASSAL, I have no idea of the 40k rules anymore so would need someone to walk me through a practice game) but I am interested in reading up about them.
I have the old codex but this is almost certainly out of date now (8 or 9 years old, not sure) so I guess the most obvious place to start would be there. I'm sure that like FB army books it contains a lot of short stories and background which provide an enjoyable read in their own right. But I was wondering if there are any Black Library publications which are focused on the Dark Eldar. Are there any books in which this is the main race and the story is centered around them?
Forgive me for not reading through the 230 posts or so in the fluff book club thread, I'm sure that if they do exists they are mentioned there. The Dark Eldar community seemed the most natural starting point for a question such as this
I'm not so sure that is the old book our codex is now 8 or 9 years of age it was done before the orks and only revised later. We are not a very fluffy army so if you ever do start your own army you can easily write your own fluff to go with it and you can tailor an army to beat what you choose.
As far as fluff goes, there are a few stories scattered in Let the Galaxy Burn, which may do them justice. The Brothers of the Snake Books do not. The first Ultramarines novel also has DE as a main race. but none of the books I've found are really about them.
Mmm. Your codex could well be out of date. The one way to tell is looking at the front cover, if it has a white skull on the front and says "Second Edition" then it is the current version, if it doesn't have that, you're going to need a new dex unfortunately. For fluff, this is basically our only piece: http://uk.games-workshop.com/darkeldar/torturer/ and if you don't mind me saying so I think it's quite possibly the finest piece of fluff in all of 40k. Pretty much everything we know or claim to know about dark eldar is based off this one piece of fluff and apart from this one story, our fluff is rather shallow, all just "we torture and take slaves" kind of stuff.
I've got no problem with going through a game of vassal with you or something, I could just write up a quick ork list (an army I've never actually used before) for you to walk all over.
As for black library novels, we feature in a few, but I've never been impressed with them. There is one which claims that incubi are gifts from slaanesh and are soulless daemons in armour but this is directly contradicted by the torturer's tale (we don't like slaanesh) and fluff in the codex and old eldar codex (incubi are pretty much a type of aspect warrior like the craftworld eldar, founded by a phoenix lord). Warrior Coven is a name that leaps straight to mind, I think that even had a mandrake that pilots a ship out of an atmosphere, when in our fluff they are feral, warped cannibal people. So basically, a lot of 40k black library novels are completely full of it (and not just dark eldar ones either), but you might enjoy them anyway.
Oh, and welcome to the dark side!
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Yah, there are some similarities that I now recognize now that I have been playing with the Dark Elves. The one piece of fluff that I think confuses most observers is the Fantasy Dark Elves actually have a "Cult of Slaanesh" option and I think this makes people think that 40k Dark Eldar like Slaanesh as well, we don't and we can't seem to convince people otherwise. Perhaps it was the folly of the Fantasy Dark Elf cults that over time nurtured Slaanesh until it was too late.
Game play is similar in some ways too - both seem to thrive as being extemely mobile and rely on "shock troop" warfare - hit hard and hope they run otherwise prolonged combat may turn on us with our moderate leadership. Definitely a combined forces army and both need to be orchestrated for best results however, I find the Fantasy Dark Elves more forgiving and I tend to have more than 50% of my army left after turn 1.
Here are some other "glaring" similarities:
Grotesques, they have the same "stupidity" rule as Cold Ones except the Grots are leadership 5!
Decapitator is similar to the ShadowBlade character - hidden deployment, good for one assault and killing a small or lone unit.
Goblet of Spite is kinda like the Cauldron of blood - they both cause frenzy except the goblet is at a much smaller scale and only affects our "to hit" roll.
Mandrakes and Shades are alike somewhat, both weak in shooting but both are skirmishers that won't last long in CC. Shades can scout while the mandrakes can move for 3 turns unmolested (bizarre) - I'd rather infiltrate like the shades scout deployment.
Wyches and Witches are obviously the same - 40k wyches are obviously better but not model wise. Both have a cult option but the 40k one is still legal (for now).
Incubi and the Black Guard are the studs of the game at a high price and both are the best looking models we have.
Talos is much like the Dark Elf chariot as they both roll for hits except the talos rolls for the number of attacks every turn. Both are high toughness and strength and equally potent but will die in heavy combat.
HQ's I am unsure of - Dark Eldar lords are a CC monster (with a 2+ ward save) that can tackle just about any thing in the 40k universe. The Fantasy lord is also an awesome killing machine too but not in the same level - I am still figuring out how important fantasy lords are when you got to split them between highborns and sorcerers.
And the last thing I noticed that is different between the two is...when I play Fantasy Dark Elves I actually don't care if I lose the "first move" roll, I actually will give away the first move more often as to get the other army closer. In 40k, first move is extemely important and can be a game breaker - it has to be considered and planned for if you lose it.
Just my observations - milage may vary.
Dark Eldar does not contain much fluff in their codex which serves as much as an advantage as it does a disadvantage, some people who collect the Dark Eldar would say that they do serve Slaanesh and some would disagree through this I believe the result is the same, it is issuable for some Dark Eldar to willing serve the Prince of Excess and some who simply just want to continue in their hedonistic life style so that is a matter of what you choose.
As far as books go, they are two that I am aware of, The Nightbringer and Warrior Coven, I have read the Nightbringer with much of a disagreement to the ending of the book which I consider illogical and Warrior Coven which I am actually reading now.
One point that I like about the Dark Eldar is the somewhat distinct lack of fluff we have been given, granting those who wish to make their own fluff up for their particular army doesn't have to refer to a gathering of information just so that the stuff that they write is 100% correct by all other references by the Dark Eldar.. So long as the you torture innocent victims, raid the galaxy as a Tyrant to all life, indulge in evilness. You are a Dark Eldar.
I never liked the Warrior models either, but by only using the bladed Splinter Rifles and Spiked Helmets (no hair/skin) they turned out suitable evil and ..... I dunno, more vicious, rather than alien. Similar to how High Elves are regimented and acknowledge athority, whereas Dark Elves have a more 'ruthless authority' to them
anyways, back on topic...
Your best bet would be to read the Torturers Tale that Teno linked, jump on Vassal, and go for it
LO RULESOriginally Posted by Jaffar_Hasad