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Tyranid Warriors can be taken as HQ choice. However. It says if they have wings they become fast attack. I'm just wondering if you can run a squad of flying warriors as a HQ choice in any nid army.
No they can't be taken as HQ. The wing biomorph doesn't say it replaces their slot as an elite unit, but that they become FA, so they have to be FA.
Originally Posted by The Paint Monkey
Warrior is right. A warrior brood with the winged biomorph becomes a FA choice. If you want a CCW brood then I'd suggest leaping rather than wings leaving the fast attack for those ravener and gargoyle broods. Winged tyrants are great to while still counting as HQ
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I think you can get away with winged warriors as HQ. The rules aren't precise on this issue and all it really says is that now they aren't elite but fast attack. Basically all the rules for them are moved into the fast attack section. Basically they aren't re-printed in the fast attack section to save space and the people in charge of the codex's layout were rather lazy.
The point is they still have access to all the options they had before except they now have wings and obviously can't have leaping or extended carapce because only one movement upgrade may be taken and winged modles can't have extended carapace. However nothing else has changed so they still use all the prevoius rules instead of them being HQ or elites they are now HQ or fast attack. There is nothing to strongly imply they can't be HQ.
I agree with Warrior47 on this one... Simply because back in 3rdEd they specifically stated that Winged Warriors could be taken as HQ/FA, while now Winged Warriors specifically become FA. There's no allowance for Winged Warriors being HQ, and Leader-Beasts doesn't help in this case as Winged doesn't say "becomes FA instead of E", but just "becomes FA" overriding all other choices.
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Tyranid warriors with wings can be reasonably argued to be allowed as HQ. The rules say HQ or elite because that statement appears in the elite section. Tyranid warriors of any kind are allowed to be HQ. The rules aren't specific enough to say they are or are not allowed to be.
All the rules biomorphs etc for normal Tyranid warriors apply to winged Tyranid warriors. It is reasonable to spot what they can't have. They may not have extended carapace because they are winged and they may not have leaping because they are winged. They same applies about leader beasts. HQ or elite will certainly become HQ or fast attack. Pointing out HQ, elite etc is just so that people know what they are taliking about.
The rules specifically forbid these biomorphs for winged models, the rules about if winged warriors are allowed to be HQ aren't specific. There isn't a good enough reason to forbid it so it is probably ok to use them as HQ. It has always been assepted that Tyranid warriors can be HQ and where they come from on the FOC doesn't matter.
Warriors with wings become Fast Attack choices. I don't see why it's more complicated than that.
While I can see both sides here, I agree with leech on this, it doesn't say that the Warriors can't be used as HQ if they are winged. All the Elite to Fast Attack move does is make sure that if you don't count your winged warriors as HQ, then they have to be FA.
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The tyranid codex specificly says
"Warriors that choose the winged biomorph become Fast Attack choices"
The Leader-beasts rule states "Tyranid Warriors may be taken as both HQ and Elite choices"
I don't see anywhere that it would imply that the FA only replaces Elite. These rules are for both the elite and the HQ warriors as they are the same unit. It just happens to be able to occupy 2 different slots on the FOC. These two rulings don't contradict each other in any way and I really don't understand where the arguement is coming from.
Sorry Leech, but I don't really see where you are coming from with this.
Originally Posted by The Paint Monkey
I would just like to say that, unless your goal is to fill every concievable slot (xcept for troops and Heavy Support) on the FOC with warriors, i don't see why you'd want winged warriors as an HQ choice. Any concievable tactic they could provide can be done better by a Winged Tyrant.
BTW, something i've always wondered: do wings take up a weapon slot on Warriors?