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I've finally decided to start colleting Tau ^___^
Yesterday I was trying to write a couple of lists, and the model count seems damn low >_>
I was in the order of 24 FW, some Suits, 2 Hammerheads + 2 FoF....my Chaos list has more models then this one -____-°
Is it a standard for mech-heavy tau lists ? In the army list section I've seen people playing 3 FoFs, lesser suits, but the overall model count still remains pretty low...in my standard Eldar list (not the 18 harlies\3 falcons one) I play nearly 60 models!
How many Hammerheads is it suggested to play at 1500pts ? I was thinking of 2, since 3 seems a bit too much, especially considering that I'm already worried by the low number of models!
There is nothing wrong with your model count, it's normal not to have that many models in a Tau army. Our suits elites doesn't do much to alloy lots of models and our heavies are also quite low in numbers.
I think my 1500 pts list have around 43 models or so - I'm not sure since I haven't played for a while and can't find my army list.
To answer your other question I'll say use three hammerheads it's worth it most of the time. Simply because you can use the railgun to take out most ICs, high T-stuff, infantry and vehicles (except for those who demands re-rolls - in that case ioncannon or fusion blasters are better)
Model count in Tau armies will be low.
The 1500pt list I have to hand has 43 models (4 battlesuits, 2 drones, 3 FoF, 2 Piranhas, 2 Hammerheads). Now this is an old list that I need to rewrite, but at 2000pts I still only have 56 models.
Tau make up for this by having longer range weapons with superior strength and our units tend to be more maneouvrable/survivable than many other armies.
As to the other part of the question, it all depends on you. I run 2 Hammerheads in 1500 and this plays well, but I back them up with Helios and Deathrain Crisis Battlesuits leaving my Fire Warriors to deal with light infantry only turning the railguns to that purpose once the enemy armour is gone.
At 2000 points I like to fill the 3rd Heavy Support slot with a Sky Ray as this adds markerlights to the list, which complements the Hammerheads by increasing their BS. This is a fairly good set up but I haven't done the maths to compare it to 3 Hammerheads.
Either way you need at least 2 Hammerheads and if you by a Sky Ray for your 3rd slot you get another Hammerhead turret included allowing you the option either way.
I actually tend to run pretty high model counts in my Tau armies.
Here is a typical 2000 point list I've been running recently(exact config will vary slightly):
Shas'O, MP, PR, MT, HWTL, Irridium, 2X Shield Drones - 167 points
Shas'El, MP, CIB, TA, HWMT - 92 points
8xFW's, 'ui, ML, HWTL, Bonded - 110 points
6xFW's, 'ui, ML, HWTL, Bonded - 85 points
20xKroot, 8 hounds - 188 points
10X Kroot - 70 points
10X Kroot - 70 points
2xCrisis, TL:MP, Flamers - 94 points
2xCrisis, TL:MP, Flamers - 94 points
Crisis, TL:MP, Flamer, BSF - 47 points
2xPiranha, FB, TA - 140 points
Piranha, FB, TA, 1xSeekers - 80 points
Piranha, FB, TA, 2xSeekers - 90 points
3xSniper Drones - 240 points
3xBroadsides, A.S.S, TmLdr, HWMT, HWTL, 2xShield Drones - 285 points
Hammerhead, Ioncannon, SMS, MT, DL, TL - 145 points
Total = 1997points
This list has 101 models total(which is a lot!!!) in it but what is more interesting his how many units uit has.
Because of the sniper drone teams and detached piranha drone squads, the army boasts an impressive 21 seperately targettable units(well 20 when the Shas'O joins the Broadsides).
And it's not like the list is low on armor either with 5 total vehicles in the fight none of which can be brought low(from the front) by any basic infantry borne weapons that aren't Tau or necron in origin.
I like to think of it as very effective, yet semi horde style Tau, and I am a firm believer in striking the perfect balance between quality and quantity.
The whole markerlights thing is pretty cool, but I don't know how to fit them °__°
A small unit of Pathfinders would be perfect, but i'm really annoyed by their mandatory 'fish.
Placing a couple of marker drones inside a standard FWs unit would boost their cost by a ton....and the Sky Ray would drop my model count even more.
>____< Me sad.
I'll probably start with something like:
4 Weapon Drones (deployed in front of Shas'el,so he can't be targetted)
2 x Hammerhead
If I don't waste too many points on wargear it should be around 1500. If I need some points I may drop one of the elite Fireknives.
I know Crisis Suits should not be played in units of 3 for many reasons...but they look cool XD During my first games I want a list that allows me to play what I like the most, with some experience I'll work a bit on it ^__^
Tau generally don't have very many models(unless using drones with the Battlesuits, but even then...)
My 1.5k Mech Infantry list has:
4 Battlesuits(I think they have 4 Shield Drones)
8 Fire Warriors
3 Broadsides with 4 Sheild Droens
3 Drone Spotters with 9 Sniper Drones
Which gives me a grand total of...
10 Units. 150 points per unit.
34 models. Average cost per model: 44.1 points
With my Farsight Enclaves List(House Ruled), I have(approximately):
Which makes for 13 units or 115.4 points per unit.
For 28 Models, or an average models cost of: 53.6 points.
And finally, my Eldar force has
12 Units, or 125 poitns per unit.
32 Models, which averages to 46.9 points per model.
Wow, guess elite armies are elite. I'm sure my 'Nid force won't be like that(I guarantee it's not going to be a Zilla list. I want my walking bags of bones!)
Last edited by Tralfagar; October 19th, 2007 at 06:00. Reason: Whoops, forgot to mention number of units
Home-Brewed Codex: Farsight Enclaves
Oh I forgot to list my average cost per model on my 2000 point list which works out to be.
1997 points/101 models = 19.77 points per model
Average unit cost for 21 units = 95 points
The nice thing about running so many units like I do is the incremental way you can choose targets. By not grouping so much into one unit you can selectively adapt your next target for subsequent units to a much greater degree in order to increase firing efficiency and not waste shots. This really means you're not wasting points.
What this means in plain 'ole english is that if unit A does not do the job then you can shoot with unit B at the same target. But if unit A happens to get lucky and get the job done unnasissted then unit B can shoot a different target. By not sinking so many points into each unit, there is less chance of wasting firepower due to overkill and a much greater efficiency ensues.
Oh and I'd like to point out for g3n3s1s the joy of sniper drones as a nice method of getting some accurate ML's into your list since they add MEQ killing power, pinning, and BS4 markerlights all in one nice stealth covered 36" range package that can cover multiple fire lanes.
Additionally I don't really skimp on the wargear as I only take the most effective upgrades(read efficient for the points) and this allows me spare points to use unorthodox things like the 3 seeker missiles in the list. Thus allowing for a whole slew of new tactics like first turn side armor snipes and firewarrior initiated T4 instakills. It's like I have 3 shots of a nice powerful heavy weapon in my FW squads(or snipers) that can be called whenever the need arises.
So not only do lists such as mine provide all the goodies of a regular point denial Tau army like long range firepower, point denial, skimmer walls(if needed from IOnhead and Piranhas), and a high degree of mobility throughout most of the army, but in addition I get access to a variety of more unique tactics and abilities such as kroot infiltrate pushback, open topped drone assaults, first turn seeker missile side armor snipes, large survivable firebase anchor, last turn 24" boost objective grabs, and excellent firebase creation possibilities.
And this utility and versatility all stems from point savings gained by making some "unusual" unit and wargear choices such as flamers on deathrains(which don't drop efficiency too much over the TA'd model), Ionheads, and non DF mounted FW's(ML's cheaper than DF). I do give up FoF by not taking the DF's but thats really about it.
So yeah use my list and love me for it....