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so im curious...who would win this? i did the dice rolls with a friend of mine but got kinda screwed when i would roll a 1 while rolling 3 dice...so what do you think?
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Do you mean in terms of Fluff, or in game using the Stats provided by GW?
Using their table top stats, (which i dont know for abaddon) but you could quite easily work it out by mathhammer.
Fluff wise, i think NB has to have it, Hes a God, simple as. Also if he 'dies' then he just respawns somewhere, so he is kinda Immortal too...
GW are quite bad at translating their Fluff into actual rules though, so there may be a diffference in game.
As far as rules go, I'd have to say that I think the Nightbringer would win more often than not (I'm unable to show you any numbers to back that up, it just makes sense to me looking at their profiles and special rules).
Fluff-wise, I think it might be a close one. Sure, the Nightbringer is a God and all and can't truly be destroyed, but at the same time Abaddon's Daemon sword is the most powerful one that I've ever heard of. It can literally split reality apart and has a ton of warp energy inside, something that the C'tan greatly fear.
Each one of the Nightbringers attacks are like Abbadons sword attack (str 10 insta kills Abbadon). The only plus for Abbadon is that he wins on initiative. Basically if Abbadon misses he dies, but he does get the first attack.
As far as combat goes, the Nightbringer would be impossible to kill on the tabletop it seems. He doesn't really die when you kill him anyways, which is nice because unlike most armies our special characters really can die and come back every fight.
I think you're thinking of the older Abaddon, the one from the 3rd edition Codex. Nowadays, Abbadon just dishes out a ton of massive Strength attacks that ignore armor. Also, Abaddon is immune to Instant Death in the new Codex, and if I remember right, he was in the old Codex too (Daemonic Rune, I believe).
I played this battle out several times with the 3rd edition Chaos Codex, and Katie Drake's right. Abaddon is immune to instant death, but that never really helped him.
The outcome was as Zaraky pointed out, with Drach'nyen, Abaddon could insta-kill if the Nightbringer failed his invulnerable save, but it was only with the extra attack from the sword. And if the Nightbringer saved, Abaddon died. That gave approximately a 3:1 win ratio in favor of our wonderful god.
Under the 4th edition codex though, even with up to 10 attacks, Abaddon has to hit, wound, and then hope for 5 failed saves. Even with one more wound, it seems less likely he would win.
Fluff-wise, it's very unlikely Abaddon could win, the only thing to save him would be the intervention of the Chaos Gods, in my opinion.
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Fluff-wise, I reckon Abaddon would win. Equipped with all the blessings of the Warp (The very antithesis of the C'Tan) he should rip through him. No fluff yet on whether it'd permanently disperse a C'Tan though so it could go on for millenia.
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I might actually lean this in Abbadon's favor, at least rules wise. He has the potential for more attacks(daemon weapon), gets to re-roll wounds(Talon O' Horus)...
Or maybe its up to the Dice Gods, as usual...
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I would have to say abaddon would win more times than not. He is striking first with up to 10 attacks at S8...
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I've done the calculations, though I don't have them on-hand at the moment. The short answer, it depends on who gets the charge.
If Abbadon gets the charge in, it's just about even, slightly in Abbadon's favor. If the Nightbringer gets the charge in, or if there's no charge, the Nightbringer begins to pull ahead...as well he should.
Fluff-wise, I would have to go with the Nightbringer, even in his current sleepy and starved form. (If the Nightbringer were fully awake and well-fed, it wouldn't even be close.) One Chaos Marine, albeit a really powerful one, cannot stand against a being the size of a solar system. If I remember correctly, the Warp abhors the C'Tan as much as the C'Tan abhor the Warp.
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