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    yet another (but slighty differnt) WWP question

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    i was looking back through some pages of this, and i saw somthing, can't rember what it was, anyway, somthing like the eye of terror webway portal being a clarification or somthing of the DE one,
    DE "it may be activated in the shootng phase instead of moving or shooting that turn" (p15)
    EoT "it may be activated by an unegaged model carrying itin the shooting phase, instead of shooting or using FoF that turn."

    so, anyone think anything of this? is it indeed move OR shoot, or somesuch?
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    Nah, it's not a clarification of our portal, it's a separate one for Ulthwe that has no bearing on ours. Also it's sadly obsolete since there has been another eldar codex between then and now, it's a shame really, I played USF.

    It has been argued by lawyers however that based on the wording for the webway portal you can deploy it instead of fleeting, rather than instead of "moving" moving. I think that's pretty silly but it has been done, so there you go.

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    It is on the top of the pile of points most argued about.

    But sadly you want apply the EoT ability to it as they are entrely seperate (even if they do seem strangly similar.

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    to make it clear, as I just saw many talk on that, I can move 6, and deploy instead of shooting (no fleet). is that right ? or shoudl I not move ? my units can just come then , or next turn ? on D6, like usual reserves ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by petitaime View Post
    to make it clear, as I just saw many talk on that, I can move 6, and deploy instead of shooting (no fleet). is that right ? or shoudl I not move ? my units can just come then , or next turn ? on D6, like usual reserves ?
    Hi,
    No moving in the movement phase, no shooting in the shooting phase due to it being substituted for deployment of the portal but there is no mention of assault, so my personal take is that you can assault the same turn after deployment.

    This is because the portal’s activation is completed in a previous turn phase, that of shooting, and the model is free to move away once it is deployed.

    But be aware many see the “no moving – no shooting” rule as covering the whole turn and therefore no assault allowed.

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    thanks for making it clear to me.
    once deloyed, can unit come imediately throught it, or next turn? providing they suceed the reserve roll..

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    Quote Originally Posted by petitaime View Post
    thanks for making it clear to me.
    once deloyed, can unit come imediately throught it, or next turn? providing they suceed the reserve roll..
    No, the reserves cannot come onto the table the turn the portal is activated because the portal is actioned in the shooting phase whilst reserves are actioned in the movement phase.

    You have to wait until your next movement phase to bring on your models
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    I agree with Wicky on all accounts.

    1) Can't Move.
    2) Can assault.
    3) Reserves come on next turn.

    Also, many think that the rest of the squad *can* shoot even if the portal is deployed, and that just the model with the portal can't. I think that's a valid point but I wouldn't take it for granted. I think it's very up in the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenozuma View Post
    I agree with Wicky on all accounts.

    1) Can't Move.
    2) Can assault.
    3) Reserves come on next turn.

    Also, many think that the rest of the squad *can* shoot even if the portal is deployed, and that just the model with the portal can't. I think that's a valid point but I wouldn't take it for granted. I think it's very up in the air.
    Hi again,
    That’s a very good point about the rest of the squad being able to shoot and it’s not something that I have turned my mind to before now.

    So lets have a look to see if it’s valid or not according to the rules.

    Activation is done by “a Model - singular” (that obviously has the wargear of a portal purchased for it in the first place) not by a Squad and using this logic why would the rest of the squad be affected by one models lack of shooting?

    You can selectively choose to shoot with whatever model within a squad (unlike moving where 1 moves, all moves), so if I selectively choose not to shoot with the activating model then by the rules the rest of the squad can.

    I am interested to see what the counter to this might be.

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    I play it that

    1) may not move
    2) may shoot (but not with the portal carrier)
    3) may not assault (as this would be moving)

    while i belive i may shoot the counter arguement would be that the prtal carrier is not firing a weapon at an enemy squad and as such the entire squad is not targeting one unit during hte shooting phase
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