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I'm not sure where this thread should go, but the Tau forum seemed a safe bet.
What do you think of Tau?
This is in the sense that do they fit into the dark and grittyness of 40k or are they a little too goody good.
I think they provide constrast, I mean they are the bad guys in that they are trying to conquer humanaty but they are a lot nicer too. i'd just like your thoughts on this.
Tau are not goody-goody at all.
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Compared to the other races they are indeed 'Goody Goody' but only because the other races are so extreme.
Space Marines, genetically engineered psychopaths.
Imperial Guard, sacrifices tens of thousands of troops for an illogical cause or where there was a simple way to win.
Chaos Space Marines, essentially spiky and more evil Space Marines.
Eldar, not that evil but definitely not goody goody, who caused one of the Armageddon wars because they didn't want a few Eldar to die?
Dark Eldar, they kill for pleasure and eat souls.
Tyranids, strictly speaking not evil but very scary.
Orks, fight for the hell of it.
Inquisition, kill innocents (there is no such thing as innocence, only shades of guilt!).
And then there's Tau, technogeeks who fight logically and with reason.
Onlainari may I ask why?
I think they do fit into the world of 40k thought they do have the "Good guy" stereotype. I think the Tau in general have some dark secrets that have yet to be found, also I'm with Skardgard Etherals are not good creatures. I think a lot of players continue the stereotype due to the paints they choose. Tau are usually painted in bright, light, and what i call happy colors. At this moment the only dark colors in the LO showcase for Tau (just using the search word Tau) are some Stealth Suits and Kroot. the rest are light blues and the normal sand color. Just based on color the Tau have the least scary look.
I think the Tau kind of work a lot like the Mob In Mario Puzo's The Godfather they come to a planet knock on there door and "give them an offer they can't refuse" and as long as you fallow what they say they won't kill you.
If you do things right people wont be sure if you have done anything at all.
I find that the Tau work in reverse to that of the Imperium, particulary SM.
The Imperium ensures that their world remain in their hands by purging everything that is Xeno, Mutant or Traitor. Mankind keeps the Imperium strong by erradicating the weak and unpure, only through pure brute force in their opinion keeps their borders safe.
They've always known that was the only way to survive is to continue raging the same war with basically the same Tech and beliefs for over ten millenia.
Whereas the Tau expand on their doctrine of The Greater Good by first using diplomacy and trade to inspire other aliens and entire systems to that cause, offering enlightenment and properity to all who join them.
Those who do not join are wiped off the face of the galaxy without question, rather than the said kind be left as a thorn in the side of their expansion. I could see the same story starting out that is similar to the Imperium's Great Crusade but is placed in the Tau's court.
I wonder if they'll be able to avoid the the same fate...
I agree with Skarsgard, me and a few freinds were talking about this a few months back and we sort of thought etherals were a bit dodgey and provided a dark sinister aspect to the tau. As a race as a whole I think they are a good breath of fresh air in the galaxy of war and the greater good is a different ideology in the galaxy where everyone wages war for survival, whereas tau wage war for the greater good. The quistion though that the tau should be asking themsleves is just what is the greater good?
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They definitely fit in the grim context of 40k. Don't think of them as enlightened, think of them as Xenos Communists...
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Tau are 'nicer' than the others because they can still afford to be, they haven't worked out that they stand on the brink of annihilation yet (though they're slowly getting there), they still think the universe is a nice, civilized place where marauding alien swarms don't eat your planets, and horrible gods don't pull the strings of mortal races like pawns in a giant game. It's not that they don't fit in to the setting, it's that they're entirely ignorant of the universe around them. As they learn about it, they'll have to adapt or die. Sometimes, they really don't seem to have far to go.. Note the concentration camps and sterilization program in Dark Crusade, for example.
That's what I like about the Tau, narratively speaking, anyway.. It's that they still have so much to learn. It's not like the Eldar or humanity, who have seen it all before and can merrily yawn as a billions of people get munched by tyranids or a world collapses into the madness of the warp. In many ways, the whole farsight mystery is a perfect example of a Tau plot.. He starts out as a hero, but his experiences of an impossibly harsh universe eventually lead him to turn his back on the naive species which no longer understands him and forge his own path in a bigger universe. The implication being that sooner or later the Tau race as a whole will have to do the same..
I think that fits right in with the universe.. It gives it something to contrast with, and reminds us that ultimately nothing escapes the grim darkness of the far future. Not even naive, happy little space cows.
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I do not think they will ever all out confront the imperium, rather I think they will do what the water caste name implies, work into the cracks like water in rock and gradually split and erode the imperium from the inside.
They have faced the Imprerium, Tyranids, Necrons and Orks etc so they know the deal with the other races and what to expect from them.
They may not be aware of every thing that the universe could throw at them but then who is?
As far as Farsight goes, every system, civilisation has its rebels or non believers, why should Tau be the same.
Tau naive no way dude, I think they know a lot more than they would have us believe.