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I really like the idea of a biker army, especially one with Wazdakka, a beastly Warboss, and a Nob Biker squad.
I just want to know if any of you guys have tried it out or think it's possible to create a fun army that can still rake in about 50% wins using all bikers. My only other concern is the cost (I thought plastics were supposed to be cheaper!).
Anyhoo, input is appreciated!
The last two tournaments at my local game shop have had an ork bike list make it into the top two both times, once taking second place, and the other time winning it all.
The ork bike list is very viable, both with wazzdakka and without. There are two basic versions I've seen: one with wazzdakka and a warboss on bike, and one with two warbosses on bikes.
The version of the list with wazzdakka and the warboss usually has a single unit of 6-8 nob bikers (usually 2 powerklaws, painboy, cybork, wauggh banner, bosspole), and two or more units of warbikers (with a nob, powerklaw and bosspoles).
The version with two warbosses on bikes has two units of nob bikers in it, and two units of warbikes (same makeup as above).
Both kinds of lists usually also have a few non-bike units, either expendable screening units to distract the opponent, or anti-armor units to help take out tanks. Most notably, I've seen rokkit buggies, deffkoptas w/rokkits, lootas, and flash gitz used this way (although the flash gitz didn't work so well).
Warbike lists can work very well, and you can definitely make it work, but based on what I've seen, you need to spend a good amount of points on nob bikers in order to be effective. Regular warbikes, when given a nob w/powerklaw and bosspole, can be effective, but they just aren't good enough in close combat to defeat assault based troops in other armies (like monstrous creatures and jump pack marines). Warbikes are good for screening, shooting down troops, and racing around to attack the back of tanks, but Nob warbikers are what turn the game in your favor.
Last edited by mynameisgrax; April 12th, 2008 at 04:24. Reason: forgot one thing
Now all you need is a ton of bikes because the old ones look naff and the new ones look cool but are dam expensive. 3 bikes for £15 its sick! Does anyone know a really cheap source of decent bikes or perhaps does anyone have a lot of Ork warbikes they don't want any more from the new system?
Last edited by farmergiles65; April 12th, 2008 at 16:46.
Thanks for the advice guys, I've looked over how many bikes I'm going to need and its not actually as bad as I originally thought...a little more expensive than your standard army but not too bad.
I do have a question for you Grax...I would assume that rokkit buggies are your best bet for a cost effective armor harassing unit, but what about a battlewagon?
Thanks for your help, this is turning into a definite possibility after I finish my CSMs (or maybe before).
The second best anti-armor unit are rokkit buggies. I love them, as they're cheap and very effective, but if you're running a bike list, you may not have the fast attack slots open. Also, even though I love them, I never field more than 1 buggy in each unit. They die way too quickly if you put more than one in a group.
The third best is a looted wagon with a boomgun. These are also very good for anti-infantry as well.
In a Wazdakka list however you can field the 3 buggies because bikes become Troops. :-) You can get multiple bike squads, 3 buggies with rockitts and then perhaps 1-2 boomwagons or a battlewagon with some tankbustas. :-) Nob bikers are "apparently" really good but don't load too many points on them by negating other needs.
There's no reason to disembark. The battlewagon is an open topped vehicle, so everyone inside can shoot out every round in any direction, as long as you don't move more than 12in. Simply measure any shot from the vehicle as if the vehicle itself was firing the tankbusta rokkits.
The only reason to disembark them is if you wanted to assault something, like a vehicle, but tankbustas are vulnerable outside their transport, so I always leave them inside, when possible.
Okay, I think you helped me iron out my list grax, your advice has been very helpful.
I think I am going to run it with 3 buggies instead of the battle wagon. My reasoning is simple. With the buggies I can take more bikers.
I tried to rework my list to incorporate the wagon and tankbustas by cutting loose the buggies and 3 bikers. This would buy me a BW with a big shoota and grot riggers, plus 6 tankbustas. Am I right to say that 3 buggies have the same chance to hit with their rokkits as the 6 tankbustas, and will survive a bit longer than the BW?
First, are the buggies fielded individually, in units of 1 buggy per unit, or are they 1 unit of 3 buggies?
If they're all in one unit, then no, they're going to die a LOT more quickly than the battlewagon, since they're vulnerable to strength 4 weapons. The battlewagon can shrug off a lot more damage. If they're fielded individually, in 1 buggy per unit, then they'll probably last as long as the battlewagon, as your opponent will have to shoot all 3 individually.
3 rokkit buggies and 6 tankbustas have statistically the same odds of hitting, although the edge goes to tankbustas, since you can get as many as 6 hits, where with the rokkit buggies you can never get more than 3.
Tankbustas also have the advantage of being able to use tankbusta bombs in assault, and take out heavier armor. Also, if you get a 'weapon destroyed' result with a battlewagon, you don't lose the tankbusta shots.
Rokkit buggies, when fielded individually, have the advantage of being able to shoot at 3 separate targets. Also, they're fast, so they can move 24in in one turn. Both these advantages make them great for harassing distant vehicles.
In conclusion, tankbustas in a battlewagon have more staying power, and are more lethal, but can only focus on one unit at a time, and are fairly expensive. Three rokkit buggies can attack multiple units, but are going to blow up fairly quick. However, since they're cheap, you probably won't care. If you have 3 fast attack slots open, I'd go with the rokkit buggies. If you don't, I'd take the tankbustas.
Of course, in my armies, I usually take both. :ninja:
Last edited by mynameisgrax; April 16th, 2008 at 00:48. Reason: grammar