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Whats the cheapest method of making battlewagons with deff rollas on? (i suppose a typical tank ram could proxy for a deff rolla). It should look reasonably good though, none of this toilet roll nonsense!
Also battlewagons have to be open-topped, so if people use sprues like chimaeras or land raiders or leman russes, which are the easist to build whilst having the top lopped off to show that 20 orks could fit and pile out of this vehicle?
I actually have a bunch of like corn flake boxes, even processed chicken meal boxes, they cut up easily and glue together just as easy.
On top of that, easy to cut and bend if need be, just reinforce the corners with thick REAL cardboard or cut off sprues.
I made some ork buggies using nothing but buggy wheels and cardboard.
and deffrolla? maybe a soda can? or a small bottle, cut off the bottom end, find another bottle the same, and cut off that ones lid with the screw and use the two screw sections to "attach" to the chassis of the tank.
I also want to make a giant baneblade size tank one day... but I need to finish whats left.
From my experience, you don't have to worry that much about the 'open topped' aspect. The drawn picture of the looted wagon in the ork codex just looks like a tank, and that's open topped. If you want to make it look that way, just glue several panels to it.
The opinions over Battlewagons differ greatly, but mainly focus on either 'realistic armor' or 'realistic size'. I never worry about the size aspect, because none of the 40k vehicles really make sense in that regard. Unless Rhinos are only as thick as plywood, I have a really hard time believing 10 space marines would comfortably fit in there. Hell, it's only slightly bigger than a modern Humvee, and that only realistically seats 4-5.
Some people say a battlewagon has to be a land raider, but I've gotten along perfectly fine with Leman Russes and a particularly cool looking battlewagon I made out of some rhino and trukk parts, and the back panel of a baneblade (got it in a lot).
I started with a rhino as normal, and glued on trukk doors over the side doors, oversized wheels at the front and back, the baneblade back panel on the front (diagonally), some extra pieces on top, a few orky decorations, a gun, and some armor over the front wheels. That's a damn fine battlewagon if you ask me, and I still had enough parts left over to make a bare bones trukk (with improvised wheels).
It's impressed everyone who's seen it (I'll have to get a picture up some time), although one long time ork player commented that it was a great 'looted wagon', but only an okay 'battlewagon', due to its size. It's legality, however, has never been questioned. As I've mentioned before, there is no official size for a battlewagon.
To answer your question, the easiest thing to do is just play a Leman Russ as is, and just have an ork or grot sticking out the top panel of the top turret, and side panels. You could use a land raider, but I think that's overpriced in real $$$.
Or in tournies don't you actually stick a squad in the trukk?
By 'older' I mean 'ridiculously small'. Yes, they aren't realistic at all, but what can I say? They were cheap.
I know in the older rules (Gorka Morka I think) you actually put the passengers on the vehicle model, and you could put as many figures as you wanted on it and they counted as in it, but if any fell off, they were casualties. It isn't balanced, but man, that was hilarious. ^_^
I use parts from other tanks but plasticard is a good option if you can get your hands on it i got a A4 sized piece for £2.50 from a art store. I've parts already for my truck and I am planning of getting a chimera hull should be pretty good once finished .
I had an idea for a battlewagon some time ago. Make it look like a huge ship, with tracks on the side. An upcurving bow and stern at the front and back and some large masts. Have that grot with the monocular stand and the front. Make the entire thing out of orky steel and wood.
Call it the "Orky Celeste" or something
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Well by those rules I'm going to say my scratch built plasticard Leman Russ without its gun on it is a battlewagon! Prove me wrong! haha!
Well despite the fact that my battlewagon is still a work in progress I gelt I should add to the conversation. I made mine mostly out of plasticard with a pair of leman Russ treads on it. I think my favorite part was making the deffrola. I used the plastic case that the GW superglue comes in, put a pair of large circular bases on the side and connected it to the front of the wagon. I've since also put the drivers cab looming above it and am fairly pleased with how its turned out so far, just need to figure out how to make the cab look right.
As for the size of a battlewagon, I personally feel a russ or similar tank is a tad too small, but anything over that is perfect. Also the chimera is easy to make into an open topped vehicle that can fit about 8 boyz with little problem. For piling in 20 do literally that, pile them one on top of the other.
@ Zemaphore, I was thinking of a similar idea, except rather than tracks on the side have a huge balloon hanging overhead. Now you've got an orky airship. :happy:
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Anything larger than a Leman Russ? The Land Raider IS the only option larger than a Leman Russ, and I still say it's way too expensive in both real $ and as a model, considering a Battlewagon is nowhere as impressive as a Land Raider in the game. I'm not shelling out $60 for each of my battlewagons, and making them out of plasticard isn't as easy as it sounds, especially when you get to the treads.
Sorry if I seem annoyed with the issue, but the Battlewagon has no official model or dimensions (although that may change soon, from what I hear), and it's kind of annoying to go between a few different stores and have the resident players each have a completely different idea of what a battlewagon should be, all based on whim and opinion, and no actual rules. It's made even more annoying by their frequent suggestion to use Land Raiders instead, as that'd be spending $180 on fixing something that isn't broken.
Honestly, if rules came out that officially stated that my Leman Russes and cool converted Battlewagon were too small to be battlewagons, then I'd just sell the models and stop using battlewagons altogether. It's just not worth it.