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I have heard a lot of talk about agonizers on Archons and what not but Poison blades actually sound better wound on 2+ is pretty good even with out the power weapon thing
I guess my realy question is that if you neeed like 2+ to wound and you use an agaonizer do you still need a 4+ cause that would be dumb
You have to see the greater picture. sure, against IG an agonizer isnÂ´t that great, a punisher would be better, but against pretty anything else they work wonders. Every 4+ that you inflict against SMurfs is a dead SMurf, killed necrons wonÂ´t stand up again, and when you get your hands on the more tasty models it really pays off ... ever seen how funny it is to wound a deamonprince of nurgle, necronlord on destroyer body or elder phantomlord on a 4+ without a save? THAT really pays of, the agonizer is just a great weapon, and it even gives you a chance to glance against any vehicle, not much, but better then nothing, considering that its CC with a tank or something.
A lord should always go with an agonizer or punisher with tormentorhelm, thats what they were made for.
Hope that helped
get punisher, tormemntor helm, animus vitae and combayt drugs with shadowfield. with S6 u can wound marines on +2... and also ignore armour saves...
I've also killed plenty of vehicles w/an agonizer. Its just wonderful to by-pass a dread's armor with an agonizer: get into hth, get 5 attacks on the charge w/x-tra attack and re-roll misses for the drugs, and you're quite likely to get at least one glancing hit. Shadow field makes survivability likely if you fail to kill it (but not guaranteed, of course).
basically the same as my S6 setup, except thta against back armour, it penes on 5 and 6...
However, you don't really need the animus vitae, i never get to use mine when i take one, so yeah. . . .
Agonisers vs. tough opponents, Punisher + Torm. Helm vs. weaker opponents.
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actually for me its...
against very weak opoennts use punisher
agaisnt strong monsters use punisher
agaisnt SUPER strong monster use agoniser, and by that i mean wraithlords and talos...
Personaly I love the Agoniser I find it to be more adaptable than the punisher for less points.
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yeah for sybarites and suyccubus get agonsiers, cos the punisher setup is too expensive to use on every squad sucucbsus and sybarite in ur army...