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im not sure if i should have written this here, but, here we go
i was reading some background from necron codex and found something interesting
could The Emperor of Manking be a C'tan?
think of this carefully, dont just shoot the 1st things in your mind
1) to keep alive the Emperor, over 1000 psykers are sacrificed each day, C'tan are known to eat souls, and are strangely immune to psychic energy
2) the Emperor is "alive" since over 20000 years, thats pretty a long life
3) (this is the thing that made me jump) Space Marine are the elite warriors of the Imperium, they have 2 hearts, 4 lungs, and and adamantite spinal cord. Many space marines make use of bionincs, especially the Iron Hands chapter, as well as the Techmarines. doesnt it seem like the Necron story? normal men transformed into something more powerfull, that makes the lifespan longer (some veterans have over 400 years)?
im sure i read this somewhere, when some Techmarines discovered the real truth behind bionics, they preferred to rip them off from their body...
well happy thinking, id love to have some replies
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There are 4 Ctan left, the deceiver, the nightbringer, the outsider and the void dragon, The VD is on mars as has been hinted in the Cron codex and the outsider is no where near earth. Ctan also have 0, I repeat, 0 psychic ability while the emperor is the the most powerful psyker in mankind. So no the emperor is not a Ctan.
This HAS come up before.
NO, the emperor is not a C'tan it s made very clear he is human. The Void Dragon DOES hybernate in Mars. If any C"tan will be added soon i'd say it's the Outsider. The void Dragon awakening would 'cause an immense upheaval in the Imperial system with breaking the Adeptus Mechanicus' belief system into splinters.
The C'tan are actually NOT immune to psychic energy. They are ALLERGIC to it.
To change this topic to what it should be, did anyone else check out the White Dwarf this month and see the 2 page map they put in. I don't remember where I read this but I do believe that a theory states that the Outsider is sleeping in a Dyson sphere. Lo and behold what is featured in the bottom right hand corner of the map, a Dyson sphere. Anyone else smell a hint coming from GW?????
There's a map somewhere of the tyranid invasion fleet. On that map the tyranids are actually circling around a system. I think it's that system that the dyson sphere is in, and the tyranids are afraid of waking up the outsider.
I think this map is in the necron codex, but I'm not sure.
Obviously, the Tyranids don't need/want any competition for the consumption of biologicals. Seeing as the Necrons have nothing biological to offer the Tyranids, their avoidance is two-fold.
On-topic: this idea has been brought up before, I think a few months ago, and with almost the same wording. I'm seriously experiencing deja vu. Anyhow, for the reasons already stated, the presupposition of this thread is impossible.
Karmoon: "well.. any kore = good kore" 12:35pm PST 23 May 2007
On the tyranids avoiding the dyson sphere, I doubt it very much theyre scared of waking the Outsider. The Dyson Sphere blocks out Psychic energy. Hence the tyranid synapse network would suffer the red ring of death and have to be sent off for repair (or more likely they would go feral, but leave me be).
As to the Void Dragon, the cult of the Omnissiah would stay loyal as they believe the Machine God is the emperor, however, the others could leave and form a new cult or something. Whatever happened, it wouldn't be healthy for the Imperium. There would then be three branches of the Mechanicus (Omnissian, Void Draconian, Dark).
If the Mechanicus did rebel there are a few possible outcomes, and one definate.
Definate: Terra is screwed. The Void dragon wakes up on Mars and the Custodians might actually get some action. I can see Mars broadsiding Terra ("Right lads, everyone point your guns UP!!!") and launching a large invasion. However that would only happen if the followers of the Dragon won the civil war that would surely break out.
However, the Omnissians might actually turn to follow the void dragon. Theres something wrong with the throne (in the 5E rulebook) and if the Dragon comes back after the Emperor dies then they might believe it's him reincarnated.
Some people say everything with a Machine Spirit would turn. Theres a bit of debate here. Some say the Machine Spirit is essence of the Void Dragon. However, if it is just AI then i doubt anythign will happen.
As to the bionic ripping out, I could never understand that. If he is a follower of machines he would prefer to follow the void dragon into non biologicalness. Unless he found out how evil the C'tan really are. But most Tech Priests wish to become fully mechanical anyway, but then, I suppose machines are Tech Priests versions and definitions of "life". They wont be to non mechanicus members though, but if they found out that the Dragon was making them into Automata, he would have reason to rip his bionics out. However, if they Void Dragon was smart he would let his Priests have brains and intellect, as they would be willingly devoted to him....
Just my thoughts
Warhammer 40k Timeline is a timeline of 40k.
So he's actually 50,000 years old (if you believe the source). Being of more or less godlike power I suppose its plausible and most people in 40k barely know the history of the last 5k years and they don't even know his name. I wonder if the Emperor even knows his name if he even has a name.... (I'm probably thinking too deeply into this lol.)
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Yeah, the Emperor being a psycher and having such a strong connection to the warp pretty much kills the idea that he's a C'Tan, since the necron codex pretty clearly points out that the C'Tan have been at adds with the warp since day one, which is why they've been on a never-ending quest to seal the breaches between the warp and the, er, non-warp universe.
Also, one more minor correction for the OP: The C'Tan don't eat souls, per se. It's a bit complicated, but after reading and re-reading all sorts of fluff, it makes sense to me now.
Chaos Gods "eat" (for want of a better word) what we would call the "soul" of a being, which is, of course, different from the physical "meat" of the body, which chaos has no real use for (beyond its use as something to corrupt).
Now, the Tyranids are the exact opposite. They eat meat, flesh, bone, biomass in general, but have no use for the "soul" of a person. While I'm not a nid expert, one could argue that they might not even be aware of the "soul," at least not the same way we are.
The C'Tan do not care for either flesh/biomass or "souls" as we know them. So what do they eat? They are basically energy vampires. Until humanoid life forms came along, the only energy source useful to them were stars, so they suckled off them for a while, sleeping inside the stars ("C'Tan" is the ancient Necrontyr word for "Star God.").
Once people (and other sentient non-godlike beings) came along, the C'Tan detected a new source of "energy" in them. I think of it like a summation of the bioelectricity, electrochemical energy, body heat, etc. produced by people that the machine race used in "The Matrix" to power itself. The C'Tan basically drain all the energy a body produces until no further reaction is left. Then, they cast aside the body like an empty soda bottle and move on. Technically, the "meat" of a person is left behind, and the "soul" is also untouched.
It's a bit tricky, since the way a person feels affects the chemical energy a body puts forward, so yes, the C'Tan are enticed by people who are feeling certain emotions, but that's considered separate from one's "soul," at least by GW fluff terms.
It should be noted, getting back on topic here, that humans, particularly space marines are not, in defense of the OP's original perspective, that far off the Necron mark, in that they are using mechanical means to extend their lives, and many of them, at least in the artwork, look somewhat more "Borg"-like and terrifying than the Necrons do.
Course, the Necrontyr weren't necessarily seeking immortality, just an ending to their suffering, and arguably not all of them knew what that would lead to. In some ways, the marines (and some other non-marine humans) are worse in that they know how much of their humanity they're giving up in the name of survival and longevity, and don't seem to care.