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I run a primarily biel-tan themed army, but I also love Prince Yriel. Would it be considered too un-fluffy to take him in a biel-tan list? I generally just consider him to be an autarch who uses Yriel's rules rather than Yriel himself, considering GW really seemed to drop the ball when it came to the autarch, as they are masters of war, they should actually be able to fight in one. Plus I've always considered that biel-tan, being the most war-like of the craftworlds, is far more likely to produce a warrior so formidable than Iyanden, but what do you guys think?
Also, how do you pronounce his name? I've been pronouncing it "EE-re-el" or something like that.
Just use the "counts as" rule. He's got Yriel's stats and abilities, but is the Autarch of your craftworld.
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And what about putting Yriel and Eldrad together in the same list? Is that ok or would it be deemed too unfluffy?
It's more or less unfluffy as hell. Not to mention certain people get irritated by the way special characters have been set up so they practically invalidate the regular characters. Yriel and Eldrad are spammed to the point where the Eldar are no longer a dieing race, because Yriel and Eldrad apparently have each spawned a few billion identical twins with the exact same stats, wargear, hobbies, musical tastes...
In other words regular Autarchs appear to be rarer than Yriel. Special Character status notwithstanding.
But in the end it comes down to whether you like it or not.
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I'm with triumph on this. I have a major problem with people writing 'fluff' to incorporate something that shouldn't be there. Yriel is yriel. He is unique. He is meant to be used in Iyanden lists, not biel tan. I would play against it, but wouldn't be happy with it. And I would let you know about it. Playing Yriel + Eldrad in the same list would get something thrown at you. Playing them both in a biel tan list would probably make me pack up my models and go home.
Biel tan already have a swathe of fluffy characters - Autarchs, Avatars (more likely to be in a biel-tan list than other eldar) and the Phoenix Lords would be more likely to be in a Biel Tan list.
If you need them in your list to make you win, you are playing the wrong list. It really annoys me when people try to do this. Use some imagination, dare to be different
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While I hate Eldrad as much as the next person (and lost several a game to him), I don't think I'm quite as vehement as Exarch and Triumph, he's a character that can be killed like any other. I will say that special characters are shortcut units, and you're a better gamer if you can win without them. As Warhammer is a much more social game than most, I'd give more value to how you come across to your opponent. The guy I play who always fields Eldrad is a good player, and fun to fight against, so I enjoy playing him (and giving him much grief for his beardy ways). He also played me without Eldrad (and still won dammit), so I know he's not dependent on that character.
On that note, ask yourself what you're trying to do with Yriel. Do you really want your general to be the best fighter, are you power gaming, a little bit of both, is this going to be fun for me to play and my opponent to play against, etc?
Hope that helps.
Edit: If you still feel the need to have a nasty HtH Autarch, one on a bike, mandiblaster with a lance will still likely wound on 2's and will faster, cheaper, tougher, and have more attacks than Yriel.
Last edited by Dr. Paris; July 11th, 2008 at 06:26.
I feel like part of the cost of taking these characters is playing the appropriate craftworld (their point costs are silly in comparison to what they are capable of), thus I don't like it when people field them in other lists.
The phoneix lords are there for those of us who don't want to go Iyaden or Ulthwe.
Thomo says use some imagination and dare to be different, but he also says he hates it when others write thier own fluff which contradicts itself. Ignore people like that and have fun.
Special characters bring more depth to an army, instead of them all just being autarch or guardian #7743281592. So if you want to create a story for your special characters and use the stats of written ones as is, then go for it. Games workshop put the "as is" rule in so players could personalize thier army. If they didn't want this they would not have included it nor put special characters in.
Yriel also is not restricted to Iyanden, in fluff or rules as it says he is roaming the galaxy in search of.
Actually if you read what he wrote, you'll see that Thomo did not say that it he hates it when people write their own fluff. I'll also point out that the "dare to be different" comment is about avoiding the stagnated special character spam lists.Thomo says use some imagination and dare to be different, but he also says he hates it when others write thier own fluff which contradicts itself. Ignore people like that and have fun.He doesn't like people coming up with what is essentially ridiculous fluff. Female Marines, Kharne leading a horde of Noise Marines, or Eldrad and Yriel consistently showing up and joining the same non specific craftworld army for anything short of an apocalyptic engagement. As opposed to say a 1500pt skirmish army that was out to capture "loot".I have a major problem with people writing 'fluff' to incorporate something that shouldn't be there.
I can't blame him.Depth? If you mean by that "an army list that is considered so irritatingly common to the point of spam"? Then yeah... maybe.Special characters bring more depth to an army, instead of them all just being autarch or guardian #7743281592
And they're only a "nameless" model or character if you leave them like that. I don't.
Eldrad and Yriel are special characters, emphasis on the special part. If every gimp and his lackey has an Eye of Wrath and a Twilight Spear then they soon stop seeming so special.
Personally I find there is a lot more creativity encouraged and depth added in creating your own character. Not just relabeling an existing one as yours, especially when you just wanted the superior stats of the character. Why even bother with the fallacy? Just take the characters and damn it all.We noticed, it's another one of those incomprehensible things they seem to have done in the name of cash.Games workshop put the "as is" rule in so players could personalize thier army. If they didn't want this they would not have included it nor put special characters in.
"The special character models aren't selling... I know! Let's make them stupid powerful for their cost and remove all restrictions!"
"But now the regular characters aren't selling... huh, who would have thought it? Oh well, time to get back to screwing over the Chaos codex."
... only triumph could turn pooing his pants into a good thing..