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Hi all, I played against a v. nasty 'nid army the other week and was a little suspicious of the legality of it, especially as he was using FW mods.
Anyway, it was something like this in 1k points:
Large FW model, probably a bio-titan?
'fex of some sort
10 gaunts (which came back onto the table for some reason when I wiped the squad out)
Something that sounded like a zoanthrope, but wasn't one (a misenthrope?)(sp)
and that was about it. As I said, it was a few weeks ago, and he didn't have an army book, or list, or any relevant literature with him, and I (being inexperienced in 40k and completely new to nids) had to go along with what he said. Needless to say I won't play him again!
Can anyone confirm/refute his list? Sorry I can't be more specific.
Last edited by Riptor; July 10th, 2008 at 12:50.
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The other thing that upset me was that we'd arranged the game the previous week, and he said that as a newbie he'd go a bit easy on me. I was expecting a swarm army, as this was what I'd seen him use the previous times I'd seen him, but still packed a bit for nidzilla hunting- I know fexes are nasty!
Therefore I went up against a heavily tailored list with an allcomers list- there's only gonna be one winner there. Fortunately, this looks unlikely to happen again, as our club has changed its rules to ensure everyone has all the relevant material they need for the game.
Thanks for the clarification here. from now on I'll only allow FWs in apocalypse, or against people I know. The way he used the bio-titan was dubious as well (in my eyes) but it got to the point where I couldn't be bothered to argue with him.
Further to what Rip' has said,
The one thing which pushed me away from the hobby initially and the one thing which still makes me cringe is other players being idiots.
I dunno if it's problems with their self esteem/psychological state or they're just idiots, but some people feel the need to cheat and do whatever they can to win.... in a game of 40K ^__^;;;
If you don't know what something does - ask them to provide rules on it. Every player should have their codex AND relevant FAQ prints with them.
I'd never battle anyone with any of my armies without being able to explain seemingly shocking stats - like Hive Tyrant mounted Devourers or the Veil of Darkness etc etc.
Using stuff like that is a bit embarrasing. As Riptor said, don't bother playing him again unless he's prepared to grow some balls and explain his actions and force a bit. If he doesn't, he'll soon find himself without any opponents.
LO RulesOriginally Posted by AnonymousOriginally Posted by Cyric
Fair enough if he didn’t have a codex, but no army list?
How did he expect you to know what bio morphs he was using?
That’s just sloppy, the Tyranid list is now one of the most complex,
with load and I mean load of different options for just about every unit.
Without a written list I often forget what bio morphs I have given to each unit.
If he ever does this again, smash one of his models. It will be his own fault.
I AM BOOMER!
Like someone else already said: I tend not to play against someone if they don't have a codex. Normally I trust that they are playing fair and have more experience then I do but I find it just easier to ask to borrow the codex and read the info myself (this also lets me read limitations without him going down a list and me not understanding half of what he says).
Oh and the gaunts have a special rule called "Without numbers" when a unit with this upgrade is destroyed the unit can re-enter play from the Tyranid player's side of the board. This only works if the unit is 7 points per model.
"Ohm nom nom nom"
Good luck in the future.
Originally Posted by The Paint Monkey
(In fact, I tend to be more nit-picky ruleswise with my better friends than new opponents, as these sort of games often have a LOT more at stake, and we both know what we can get away with in terms of rule checking each other)
As for the without numbers rule, he said that it was implemented with a scatter die, rolled a hit and said that this meant he could bring them on from any board edge. My respect for this guy grows ever smaller.
Thanks for all your opinions so far
I can tell you straight off that if you were playing a 1k game that list was completely illegal if he was running a bio-titan as that costs 1.25k. even with a Hierophant it's highly unlikely it was legal as that costs 700 points. otherwise as far as the rest of the list is concerned it sounds legal though as pointed out uknown if the zoa redo can count as an HQ.
easy way to tell if it was bio-titan or hierophant is the number of shots he had. if he had just 6 shots but they were twin linked then it was a hierophant. if he had 16 shots that could be split into two groups of 8 he had a bio-titan. he may have still been running a hierophant even if he had 12 shots that could split into two groups of 6 as that is a little ambiguous in the original apocalypse rulebook. hope that helps.
Last edited by grantneodude; July 10th, 2008 at 15:38. Reason: more info
I have a simple rule I use for my games.
If my opponent doesn't have a written list or codex with them, I don't play that person.
Without the codex to refer to, it's too easy for them to "forget" something that hurts their army, and too easy to "remember" something that benefits them.
And without a written army list, it's impossible to tell if they're fudging the numbers or not.