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In response to a thread I just read about lord personnality, Guass storm and another guy said they leave them at home. Now my question, do you guys ever take them? I fight very frequently, orks and chaos, both of which focus on speed and close combat, and just rape me if I stick around.
Now my lord, I run with a VoD, and a monolith, and I havn't lost yet, using them to teleport around simply to get my warriors out of CC. I run a heavy 40troop contingent + VoD lord, and then whatever else (depends heavily on point cost).
This of course changes based on the predicted match, but in general against a CC army that's what I take. Do you just hang out and actually kill them before they get to you?
Sorry to me a lord is invaluable, just would like to hear your side.
I use lords instead of C'Tan, but my main reason is due to fluff, rather then rules. Until the Void Dragon, the focus behind my army, is released, I refuse to actively use any other Star God (fluff, for me, is the main reason I play the games). However, from an efficiency standpoint, I understand and agree with the reasons many people leave their lords at home. They simply cost way too many points for what they are able to do. Considering that the basic lord costs 100 points BEFORE you get to add all that cool wargear, it sometimes just doesnt seem worth it. Its high strength and toughness are counteracted by its lower weapon skill, initiative, and inability to increase its attacks in any way (when compared to characters in other armies). Due to my intentional dependency on the Necron Lord, however, I have left myself with no other options. As such, I find that Destroyer bodies are worth their weight in gold. It is hard to increase the offensive power of the Lord, but by increasing its ability to survive and to get the charge, you can allow it to cause more damage in indirect ways. I often run my Destroyer Lord with a Res Orb and use him as a highly mobile counterstrike and defensive support, able to quickly dart around behind my lines and come to the aid of necron units that are being overwhelmed in CC or are facing heavy fire.
Last edited by Zarak; July 18th, 2008 at 16:40.
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Problem is, you have two choices. Lord or God?
Lord = expensive, but still miles cheaper than a god, can carry very useful support wargear, but does have a limited role of supporting HQ rather than direct damage dealer, but then thats always how I've seen the Lord in the Necron fluff.
God = insanely expensive in points and IMO not worth them. Sure it can munch through a few things, but so can other things when used right and they don't cost 300-360 points! Also T8 may be nice, but your opponent will turn that god into a fire magnet and STR 8 weapons are not uncommon. Failing that even mass fire with enough 6's rolled will hurt. The 4+ save is invulnerable, but I don't like trusting a 360 point model to a 50/50 chance.
Personally I'm not a major fan of either HQ, but taking a Lord with the right wargear helps to support my army a dam sight more than a monstrous magnet!
I only use a lord or two. I don't think the cost of a lord, orb and warscythe is too bad.
Once upgraded they are cost comparable to marine/chaos lords and most other upgraded non-monstrous creature HQ choices.
A destroyer lord and warscythe is just as nasty as a demon prince and easier to keep from being shot up prior to close combat.
Why the lord hate??
They get a strength and toughness bonus that regular (non-monstrous creatures) get.
Guess I just like lords better than the expensive nightbringer and the deceiver ( i really hate the head on that model too).
It all comes down to game play though. So if you like lords run with them, if you like the C'tan go for it.
Well there are several reasons why I take the Deceiver rather than the lord.
First is I don't run any monoliths, so I need a way to get myself out of combat if I do get into it. This is where the Deceiver comes in. Instead of just bum rushing the Deceiver ahead then killing a squad then getting left in the middle of nowhere I put my Deceiver right infront of my foot sloggers and keep him there just move around infront of him.
Put your Deceiver where your opponent wants to be which is in combat with your necrons, so your opponent knows whatever squad he assaults will have the Deceiver jump on them and unlock them from your warriors. Hes also an answer to 2+ armour saves but thats a different story.
Also the Deceiver chooses when and where combats happen, he will never get assault unless you want them too and with misdirect ability its easy to get where you want to be very fast.
Another reason why I don't take lords is just they're too expensive for what you get in wargear and combat ability. The Deceiver supports Necrons weakness in close combat making your army a little bit more effective (grand allusion and deceive are also nice) For example some people kit out destroyers lord to be 210 points. Now for 90 more points you can get the Deceiver who helps out your army in so many more ways and can do what the d lord is meant to do so much better and only being slightly more expensive in point cost.
Basically Necron players tend to spend to many points on things that are defensive (monoliths , res orbs , VOD) which actually weakness our army. Necrons become alot more powerful when the list is built around offensive fire power.
and my final reason is my list, I run 15 destroyers so I dont have a whole lot of foot sloggers about 30 (in 5th edition these are all warriors) so I dont have much of a problem with keeping my main offensive guns (the destroyers) out of combat.
Just lord don't fit into the lists I run, for defensive Necron armies they work great. But they just arent a useful assist to my army.
I run a destroyer lord because I run a wraith wing and I need the power weapon from hell's hitting power on the charge.
I'll take a c'tan when I need to pump my army from 1500 to 1850, or when I'm taking on nidzilla.
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I never use a C'tan I have both and think they are really cheesey they take over a game and it then becomes boring.
I always use a lord, I really love my destroyer lord with a warscyth. In one game on his own he killed 10 Chaos Terminatos on his won. What a hero.
I've only had one game against a deciever and the massive toughness on him made combat very scary, since no close combat attacks can touch him but the powerfist, and even plasmaguns JUST wound on 5 or 6 from memory making him a difficult prick to take down, coupled with all his special abilities... he is just godly
Last edited by omgitsduane; July 20th, 2008 at 12:54.