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Has anybody found better ways of fielding grots in their army besides buying the highly expensive metal models. Sure I think the new grots look brilliant, but to buy a 20 man objective grabbing grot force will require 5 blisters worth at like £4-£5 each. Too much money!
The old edition grots frankly look pathetic and there is no difference between the models.
So what about substituting the Fantasy Gobbo box set (not the Night Gobbos) for them? Obviously you have a problem with Grot Blastas, but then not every model in the blister carries a gun. Problem is how do you get around the fantasy weapons problem because I would imagine you're forced to equip a weapon in one hand?
What other brilliant ideas have people tried (and "don't field grots" is not a valid choice!)
Cheaper and better solution IMO is Ogre Gnoblars. You get 24 in the box, rather than 20 like Gobbos and look less cartoony... more Grot-Like.
I've neglected to convert them with guns, they'll have things like throwing daggers and glass bottles when I get around to making them, just for money and simplicity's sake.
I'll try and get a picture up later on of a painted Gnoblar Grot alongside converted Runtherds from Fantasy Orc Chariot crew (got it very, very cheap off someone).
Hope that helps
Its certainly a good idea, though the cartoony look of goblins and grots is what I love about them! Listening to grots on Dawn of War is as funny as the rest of the Orks "errr guns might be that way....lets go this way!"
Do gnoblars come with broken bottles as standard or is that your conversion ideas at work?
I'm not sure if they do have the bottles as standard... I've not bought the models yet (no money), but just have a random one from the Ogre Bulls box. They have daggers and hatchets and stuff, but some look outlandishly Fantasy, which I'd personally remove and just have free hands.
If the cartoony look is what you enjoy, then feel free... I think maybe they'd fit more with the Ork models. It's just I find the Goblins look too out of proportion and 'beefy' compared to the metal models.
Have a look at this link for an example that someone's done using Fantasy Gobbos: HWT » Article » Converting Grots from Goblins (Powered by Grots)
Interesting article, although painting and hobby stuff is not my strong point so I doubt I'd be able to do the gun conversions as he made out. I personally wouldn't mind just having the gobbo armed with a bow and just substituting grot blasta for grot bow!
Lets face it the gun is a STR 3, AP - piece of rubbish. So basically it never penetrates even basic futuristic armour. A standard bow in Fantasy is exactly the same (STR 3 with no armour modifier). You could say that orks took the sluggas for themselves leaving the grots with nothing but the most basic of ancient weaponry for themselves. As we never expect a grot to kill anything we can say that any wound caused on anyone with 5+ or worse armour been a typical heart/vital organ shot and any wound on a 4+ or better save been a flukey hit into the victims eye socket! Even a terminator or space marine has to see out of that visor!!
Also found this: santa cruz warhammer: Orks: making Fantasy Gnoblars into Gretchin which uses Gnoblars, but you get the idea and see a variety of Gnoblars made into Grots.
At the end of the day, they're just objective hoggers and cannon fodder... they don't need to look amazing so long as they look as though they could fit the part.
Either way, be sure to let us know how you get on... in the next month or so I should have some up in the Tale of 5 Gamers thread on the project forums, so have a check on there soon
Again an interesting article, but to harvest the gun bits and convert them will be a pain. Lets face it I've already got to paint my entire Ork army yet and have only partially painted 12 boyz at the moment! Gonna see how the Army Painter quickshade dip helps me though, perhaps I'll even post a picture up!
But I think at some point I'll put the grot archer idea into action!
I agree that grot bows are acceptable in these rules. If basic swords are still allowed in 40k, so should bows and arrows, as long as the fluff and stats fit with it (if I ever see a space marine player using bows to represent boltguns, I may just smack him). Continuing with this idea, if you have the time and willingness to do some conversions, it would be awesome to see some of the arrow-grots firing scaled down explosive arrows, Rambo-style. Of course, being grots, the explosive arrows would probably just be defective stick bombs with fletching attached at random spots (to make them more 'erodinamik). Heh, I think I may try this myself, if nobody else does...
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I'd actually use night goblins rather than gnobblars, simply because night goblins are cheaper and more plentiful on ebay, since they come with the 'Battle for Skull Pass' starter set.
You'd need something that looks like a gun of course, unless you just used night goblins with bows, and left it at that. Come on, are the gretchin guns really any better than short bows? I think not. ^_^
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The night goblins are a possibility especially as hopefully they may be cheaper, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of the cloaks they wear, nor could I pass that off in the 40K world as my ideal gretchin is the half naked green sprite!