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    Targeting with psychic powers

    Can you cast guide on a unit that is within a falcon/wave serpent from a farseer who is not in the vehicle.

    The rules say you dont need LOS and you can measure to the ships hull in regards to the measurement, and i am not finding anything that stops it.

    I might have missed something because today i attempted to do this and was told i cant, i believe i can but i just (eventually) accepted i cant do it.

    But just by getting in a vehicle the unit doesnt leave the game does it? its models do but if its special rules can still effect the game them essentially the unit can still be targeted as the rules say if i need to measure something that isnt shooting in regards to the unit in the tank, measure to the vehicles hull. And it never says im not allowed to target the unit whilst its in a tank.

    any help would be appreciated,

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    If i remember right the power reads "any eldar unit with in 6 inches of the farseer." To me that's pretty cut and dry. If at the start of the turn the transport is within range of the farseer then yes.

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    i got told this statement

    "It is removed from the table and place aside" means nope i cant target them

    But thats just their models no longer being on the table, It doesnt say once its inside a vehicle you can no longer target it. So i want to target it, then a rule says If i need to measure something involving that unit, well measure from the ship’s hull. So ive done what the rules said?

    and if just because the models are not on the table that means the unit is no longer able to effect or be effected, how come wraithguard have to check for wraithsight? and how come spiritseers can still effect the unit?.

    If it was a shooting attack id understand because you need LOS to the target which you simply cannot do.

    But i dont need LOS and i have a rule telling me how to measure to the unit?

    I dont have any rules saying that units inside vehicles cannot be targeted or units within vehicles count as out of the game.

    I know this means weapons that dont need LOS can potentially hit a unit within a vehicle, but as for blast weapons, it says you count the bases who are hit or partially hit, well you count 0 bases so it does nothing to the unit but the tank is under it so you damage that.

    Things like Tau smart missile systems can do the same thing as this psychic power i believe, because you’re not breaking a single rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cut Your Ribbon View Post
    i got told this statement

    "It is removed from the table and place aside" means nope i cant target them

    But thats just their models no longer being on the table, It doesnt say once its inside a vehicle you can no longer target it. So i want to target it, then a rule says If i need to measure something involving that unit, well measure from the ship’s hull. So ive done what the rules said?

    and if just because the models are not on the table that means the unit is no longer able to effect or be effected, how come wraithguard have to check for wraithsight? and how come spiritseers can still effect the unit?.

    If it was a shooting attack id understand because you need LOS to the target which you simply cannot do.

    But i dont need LOS and i have a rule telling me how to measure to the unit?

    I dont have any rules saying that units inside vehicles cannot be targeted or units within vehicles count as out of the game.

    I know this means weapons that dont need LOS can potentially hit a unit within a vehicle, but as for blast weapons, it says you count the bases who are hit or partially hit, well you count 0 bases so it does nothing to the unit but the tank is under it so you damage that.

    Things like Tau smart missile systems can do the same thing as this psychic power i believe, because you’re not breaking a single rule.
    Lol this is just like the other thread we had, but reversed. And the same things are applying here. Just because it doesnt specifically say you cant, doesnt necessarily mean you can. So whats to stop one of my firewarrior squads openning fire on a unit inside a vehicle? If the rules say if I need to measure something involving that unit, well measure from the ship’s hull? I wouldnt be breaking any rules either then would I?
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    yeah but rules for shooting say you need LOS and rules for models inside vehicles dont say vehicles hull counts as LOS.

    so sure u can measure range but u cant get LOS

    thats whats stopping you
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    Not to answer the questions but to throw something into the mix...

    ...you specifcially cannot mindwar a passenger in a vehicle - so it would imply that the hull does stop some form of penetration or targetting....

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    Though Mind War requires line of sight, so it's not quite an apples to apples comparison.

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    Well yeah mind war is specifically a shooting power so it needs LOS, and also its the ONLY psychic power that mentions a restriction on targetting units within a vehicle? if you cant do it at all with any power, why have that written in the rules?
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    quick question, just thought this is the right thread to bring it up.

    (sorry to deviate for a second)

    can a farseer cast a psychic power if they start the turn in cc?


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    Yes they can. There is nothing prohibiting you casting any one of the non-shooting psychic powers.

    NOw in terms of this discussion I have seen multiple boards go one way or the other. The best thing to do until it is FAQ'd is to gain consensus with who you play or die it off. I tend to agree that you can now because it seems to me the rule which allows you to measure from the hull is perfectly fine guidance but I dont count on it either should I be in a tourney and they dont allow it I wont be caught off guard for my army.

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