Welcome to Librarium Online!
Join our community of 80,000+ members and take part in the number one resource for Warhammer and Warhammer 40K discussion!
Registering gives you full access to take part in discussions, upload pictures, contact other members and search everything!
Are swooping hawks effective for their points cost? Or are their better fast attack options for that many points. Opinions?
"I did my first model at the age of 7"
Wow. When I first read that I misinterpreted it. Bad.
Well they are cool models, with awesome rules
Against anything with a 5+ save, you will easily earn your points back
Against MEQ you will struggle to kill more than 2 a turn, but they are still great tank hunters and an all round annoying unit, perhaps taking the focus of some fire away from your more effective units.
I like hawks, give them a spin you might too.
"Playing it safe is the most popular way to fail." - Elliott Smith.
Since buying a couple of sets of swooping hawks, I have come to like them, the grenade packs are very useful indeed, and the numberof shots you get can be useful as well. They're not so great against Chaos space arines though, they got shot the last tie I took them on. Obviously they have much better shooting success against Orks and the like.
They're lack luster against MEQs, but the grenade pack is a nice little extra and with haywire grenades and intercept they make for some fast backfield tank hunters. And against IG, Nids, or Orks their shooting becomes pretty potent.
I've always discounted Hawks for their high points cost and low strength weapons, but looking at the comments on this thread has made me reconsider. My friend plays guard and rather cheesily fields three Leman Russ in 1,000 pts, so I could actually see them working quite well for me. What kind of numbers do you usually field them in and what exarch builds (if any) do you use?
Also, slight rules question, you can't deepstrike an autarch in attached to them can you?
You can have an Autarch join them and Deepstrike so long as he has wings s well. He then joins them and can partake in the rubber band goodness. Apart from the Shadowstalk Exarch skill of the Scorpions (I think) the autarch benefits from any Exarch powers the squad has.
As for numbers, five in a squad is ok if you plan to have them just jump up and down a lot. If you plan to grenade tanks, more might be useful, as well as the Intercept ability.
IMO Warp spiders are a much better choice for fast attack, they hit hard, fast, and are very difficult to kill.
Everything I have told you, even this, is a lie.
Swooping hawks are good agianst two things for the most part, hordes becuase of the grenade pack, and vehicles because of intercept and haywire grenades. With the grenade pack i like the idea of the sky leap, becuase you can deepstrike, grenade pack, sky leap agian, so you can get it every turn possibly if you roll good for DS.
All in all though i like warp spyders better, higher str, better save, greater mobility (2nd jump) and stronger guns. Hawks are cool becuase of the wings...
off topic question. if its turn 5 and i use sky leap, what happens if it becuase turn 6? do i still get to DS? becuase no where in the rule book have i seen that a unit in reserve can come in on turn 6, becuase everything must come in on 5th turn (thus clearing out the reserves).
swooping hawks, kickass models, not so great rules. To many str3 shots, although against orks the sunrifle is gold. they are good at popping tanks, but at t3 the blasts have a habbit of taking some hawks down with them.
definately NOT worth the points without skyleap
Hawks that leave on turn 5 come in on turn 6 automatically but if the game ends on turn 5 and they are still in reserve they count as destroyed.
Page reference: BRB pg 94 Reserves Table (notice the use of 5+ instead of 5 to note any turn above 5)
Last edited by Dekendo; December 2nd, 2008 at 00:34.
Never apologise for asking questions young seers, through asking
questions we find answers, and through those answers we gain
knowledge of ourselves and the universe around us
Meet My Autarch