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Greetings fellow 40K minds (like the title)
I have posted the exact same words in the Dark Eldar forum (I tell you, it scares me just lingering there) and was wondering on a second opinion from any necrodermis-covered players.
Anyway, I was in a bit of a situation here with a Necron player. Let me lay it out for you.
Now there was time for speculation. I said to my opponent that the Stinger template should be used with the normal rules for it (ie. AP = Sv, S = T), but he insisted that the original "C'Tan Bomb" be used.
- C'Tan Nightbringer was 12 inches away from a lone Haemonculus with a Stinger after a terrible round of gauss weaponry straight to my warriors left him stranded
- Thank the heavens it was my turn. And thank the heavens after an absolutely delightful shooting phase from the previous turn by 4 Dark Lances (courtesy of your friendly, neighbourhood Ravager and Raider), it was down to its last wound. The look on my opponent's face was telling a story. "He is a god!"
- I decided I may as well take the risk and shoot the NB with the Stinger. I managed to hit on a 5, and being able to wound on a 2+, it was inevitable that I would wound too.
- And wouldn't you believe it, THE NIGHTBRINGER FAILED ITS SAVE! HAH! No wounds left, and I say to my opponent, "Well, he was a god!"
- But then something hit me, a model that dies by the effect of a stinger explodes, using a blast marker and a C'Tan that dies by the effect of its last wound explodes too, using another blast marker, or in this case a Large BM.
And my question: who is right? Me? Him? Or are both templates used? Or worst case scenario, none?
Any ideas would be good!
Also, if there is something I am overlooking here, then I would like to know, such as a rule or special rule.
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never heard of a c'tan blowing up.
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Page 27 under Necrodermis. He does not use the blast marker to deal the wounds. This only happens when the model is "killed" or is actually released from it's physical form (weaker then it's true form).
Every model, including yours, will take a S6 hit within D6 inches.
One thing that I didn't notice in your pre-story, your haemunculus passing his leacership to assault the C'tan. Just an observation.
Hope that helped.
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This... also, aren't they S3? He shoulda just drop kicked you backwards after you assaulted. His mistake though.One thing that I didn't notice in your pre-story, your haemunculus passing his leacership to assault the C'tan. Just an observation.
But yes, the C'tan explosion happens upon their death, and isn't relevant to whether or not you'd use yours. As aetherguy said, every model within D6 takes an automatic S6 hit.
Well....if the weapon makes it's victim explode when they die, and the character explodes when IT dies.
It would only make sense that it explodes twice, once using the stinger weapon rules, once using the C'tan necrodermis rules. I'd say the weapon would have it's effect first (though it's a blast template over a large base...doesn't seem that effective.) and THEN the C'tan would be released and get it's blast area as well.
Unfortunately c'tan do not get the LBM when they are released but instead wound every model within d6"
I would say that they both happen (the existence of one effect doesn't affect the existence of another effect UNLESS specifically stated) and that they both happen simultaneously, just like blast weapons typically do in 5th edition. So, place the small blast template and allocate hits, then place the large template and allocate hits, and then roll. These blasts don't have an initiative value and blasts are typically used in a way similar to shooting attacks, and the blast rules were modified because people would be unable to kill a unit with blast weapons in 4th because the number of models hit would decrease each time, reducing the number of hits. 5th is all about getting all of your attacks in, so get them all in, and then see who dies.
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I agree with the both statements. You have to view it in the order of a timeline.
1) Wound that caused DEATH causes an explosion (BOOM)
2) Now dead he is freed from his necrodermis and causes his explosion.
There's no reason either would negate the other. Especially since his is a special ability different from a normal 'explodes' situation. But definitely nasty if any of your guys are nearby! Heck or even his for that matter.
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Both templates would be used i think.
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First point though, the stinger is ranged, not assault. Get that right at least, guys.
Now... Both templates are used. Whether or not this makes sense fluffwise is not the point. both are used, there is no gaming reason why not. All i can say is that anything close to it is in for some pain!
Simple way of working this one out:
Does it say anywhere why only one would be used? No.
It there any reason why only one would be used? no.
This is yet another example of the dire need for GW to improve the nightbringer's rules. No sane necron player should ever take a c'tan, because it will almost certainly die to hellfire rounds immediately. Or boon of mutation, or a spirit sword, or a strength D weapon, etc, etc.