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Personally i think Lictors make a perfect s*** disturber for your opponents in the 5th edition. They have a beast WS, I and a str6 with Rending and 4 attacks on the charge.
I thought these stealthy critters would be great to destroy tanks and artillery on the first turn since in mellee combat you always hit the tank in the rear armor which is usually a 10 makes the lictor able to score a glancing hit on a 4 and a penetrating on a 5 and 6. It has a 1/2 of hitting the tank and a 1/3 of penetrating it. Even if it doesnt kill the machine it can run away with hit and run and get into cover before the tank unleashes its deadly salvo.
If you have more then one lictor working together. They would be quite an effective fighting force increasing the chances of destroying the tank and being able to kill devastor squads and heavy weapons squads more efficently
the con is that there one of the few tyranid species you cant run directly at the enemy screaming it head off becaus of its mediocre toughness and pitiful armor save. It has to live in cover on your opponents turn or your lictor is toast
So whats your opinion on the lictor or death leaper are they worthy to be in a hive fleet?
I love the Lictor, but they just don't fit into my Nidzilla theme. I think they would do very well in a Genestealer flanking army, and really can help out if you can afford the points.
There's one other con I have to include before I get into the actual question. Namely, Lictors also always have to take a dangerous terrain test when they come in (since they must come into terrain).
Ok, now that that's out of the way. Lictors are something of a mixed bag. They're very good at messing with people's back lines. Either you can drop down and do some severe damage to tanks or heavy weapons teams. You gave all the reasons why (although you forgot feeder tendrils and what they add to their abilities in combat). The obvious cost is that lictors are very expensive and very fragile. If you take one, it will die. Accept it. The question is, does it earn those points back before it explodes. If you think it will, or you absolutely must mess up your oponent's heavy weapons (tau, some IG builds, some SM builds, some Eldar builds) then absolutely bring it. If you don't think it's that important, don't bring them. Personally, I've experimented with them a few times, but I never felt they were worth the points.
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Lictors are amazing at what they do. Come in off of any terrain on the board, 2+ cover saves, enable nearby units to benefit from Tendrils, generally mess with your opponent's head. Drawbacks as stated, expensive, fragile, takes up points that could've gone elsewhere. Keep in mind that Lictors are not Fleet, so rolling a bit too far away when landing on terrain is very, very detrimental. Even further, a single Lictor doesn't tend to accomplish a whole lot on its own.
By itself, a single Lictor will get into combat, thrash some heavy weaponry or a tank, and either die because you didn't kill every member of the squad you assaulted or your consolidation move might not be enough to get back into cover. With only T4 and a 5+ armor save, and the fact that they're almost always going to be out of Synapse, counter assaults and concentrating fire puts a big hurt on them. One power fist smack and it's over. Now, run them in pairs and you may find them far more resilient because your opponent has to shoot/assault them one at a time. Even more, they work even better when used as pairs because you can have two separate surprise assaults going at once, tying up or destroying a fair amount of your opponent's heavy gunlines or tanks.
Lastly, as stated above, the Lictors have great synergy with Genestealers, specifically scuttling ones. Give the Stealers Scuttling and Flesh Hooks, deep strike the Lictor nearby and watch the two units destroy whatever you are assaulting from the flanks.
One last downfall, I'm not entirely sure you can Hit and Run from assaulting a vehicle.
The Problem with lictors is that you need more than 1 to be effective. They can be torn apart easily by flamers and give up easy kill points. It is hard to completly destroy a unit which in 5th you need to do to get any benifit.
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lictors are great on heavy terrin games, when your enemy got a solid line of fire, that are meant not to be disturbed. otherwise I don't stress to say that my lictor(s) hasn't done anything useful but drawing fire power from some gaunts, and killing a terminator, something that my gaunts do perfectly.
but on heavy terrain games I won't stress a bit to use them, count in those objective games too.
Your gaunts kill terminators!!?? what. how many of those guys do you have? Are they gaunt, gaunts or hormagaunts Terminators are not something such as a swarm of gaunts should be attacking. The Terminators armor save and moster weaponery crushes the littl ebuggers in a fire fight and at hand to hand. The best is to use genestealers against them in melee combat if, anything using the gaunts as a meat shield
Thanks for everyone's advice i think ill drop the lictors and take a trio of zoathropes to blow the living daylights out of my enemies
the games ive watched where a lictor (or 3) has been used have all gone really, horribly wrong for the opponent..
Lictors are a tad expensive.(compared to the rest of the nids)
a bit frail.
Stupid deployment rules, dangerous terrain tests.. tsk..
Scary looking model
good number of rending attacks
Stealth.. 2+ cover save? yes please
hit & run.. yummy
Reroll reserve rolls.
I'd say theyre worth it for the fact that it makes the opponent paranoid during deployment alone.
edit: what are the rules for death leaper? can't seem to find them anywhere.
Last edited by arachnid; December 12th, 2008 at 01:20.
I disagree, every advantage to the lictor is theroy and the disadvantages are real.
Best senario they hop out of cover in a jusy squad of SM devestators. You charge and kill say 3 of them, thats above average. you got what 60 some points of meat shield befor they pound your puny t* and lack luster armor in to a 2 wound pulp. yay! One kill point to the enemy and non to you.
Or the tank. you get back armor I say 50% chance you kill it. now what. your going to get shot to pieces by some angry squad. Sure you gotr the tank that was more points then you but you and your opponent just got one kill point so no advantage there.
The fact that you have to start in "Secret deployment takes all advantage away from you that you get with 5th ed rules. It makes me feel bad for buying one. They need a serious point reduction or stat increase before i'll ever consider taking one.
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