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It occurred to me that Eldar seem to be one of the most put down races of all of the 40k choices. Not particularly in gameplay but just the general view of Eldar is very skewed. I've heard names like space pixies just to name one of the more light hearted comments. But some of them are downright nasty and would even be considered extremely racist if you were saying these to a real person. Why is it that the Eldar are so hated?
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I know exactly where you are coming from, and I have no clue why people act that way towards Eldar or even Eldar players. I mean, I play a very annoying sky circus army, and I play it well, so I guess I can understand why people get annoyed with me. But aside from that I have never heard a valid reason behind this.
because most people start with space marines, and then when they get completely owned by a competant eldar player, they just start picking at them. most of the time, when something is made fun of to any large extent it is because of jealousy or rudeness. i make fun of people that play space marines. not because of jealousy, because i just don't like the emperor, and ppl that play SM are just a bunch of followers. Eldar are leaders, not followers.
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Because of Eldar players who ran 500 pt. lists with 3 wraithlords back in the day, or ran trifalcon lists pre-5th edition.
Guys like that spoil the reputation for a lot of people, just like the 13 year olds playing spehss mehreenz
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Because SM players can't come up with better retorts than space pixies In seriousness I think to a lot of people the idea of eldar gets presented as "elves in space" and most people's first reaction would be to think that's kind of stupid. As often I also think there's truth to the idea that sore losers just like to talk crap, and that's not particular to Eldar. Interestingly enough, the 6 space marine players in my group think eldar are cheesy because of banshees and dark reapers, the ork player and the IG player think they're just fine.
SEE!!! damn SM players. haha!! i will just have to keep beating and beating them, until they are all trying to call eldar worse than "space pixies"
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As a Space Marine player considering Eldar as a secondary army, I'll chime in.
I bought the Eldar Codex yesterday and mostly, the Eldar are very... Ehum, fluff wise. A lot of concepts about the Eldar are ridiculous, ranging from the "Elves in Space" theme (Let's face it. Extraterrestrial life? Space ships? Please, what is this, science fiction? Oh wai-) to the Harlequins. Oh god the Harlequins.
To me, Eldar lore seems choppy at best, with gratuitous amounts of 'dark and mysterious' (Again, oh god the Harlequins) and a whole lot of stuff being 'impossible to understand' (If I wanted that, I'd read about Azathoth, the Nuclear Chaos and Center of the Universe...).
From a gamewise perspective, however, the Eldar seem to border between "challenging" and "bloody hard" to play, at least for me as a Marine played being used to having a solid block of unstoppable rage at my disposal. Of course I'm not going to like such a whimpy army that can't use their basic infantry to punch out Hive Tyrants!
To someone playing against Eldar, the ridiculous power of their specialized units might seem cheap, or easy, because they don't know the particular weaknesses of those specialized units (which, I've noticed, are plenty. 12" range on their rifles? They almost deserve to be woobies!). In short it's much like the way I feel about the Tau (The only army I've really suffered against) with their horrendously powerful and long-ranged weapons. Then I get my Tacticals in range of Fire Warriors to discover they're pretty brittle.
It just takes finding out what makes your enemy army fall and suddenly they don't seem that bad. With Eldar, this can be tricky at best, so it's no wonder people dislike them.
I agree with the sentiments above. It seems that many people fall victims to the Eldar's special rules and weapons without ever learning how to take advantage of their weaknesses. Eldar often appear cheesy because a good player knows when to deploy the right unit with the right "special" rule at the right time.
Example - my dire avengers get charged by a nasty CC specialist unit with power weapons and I say "oh by the way you get -1 attack per model and I get a 5+ inv save due to Defend and Shimmershield" He get's upset and starts shouting about cheesy Eldar, but if he had shot them instead they would have gone down like Lewinsky.
It's the poor SM players who get used to S4 T4 3+ saves and bolters that forget that 40K is a sophisticated Rock-Paper-Sicsors game and all they have is a pocket full of rocks.
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People hate losing, simple as that. When people win, they brag. When people lose badly, which is often the case when playing Eldar players, as playing the fragile Eldar requires a much more tactical approach to warfare than the SPESS MEHRENZ!!! and therefore the player often crushes us utterly, or get obliterated. Anyways, one of the red shirts down at the Seattle Battle Bunker referred to the Eldar as "Elfdar" and my brothers heard it. Needless to say it's stuck with them pretty well, whenever I start bragging about how I'm going to tear my brother's Ravenwing army to shreds, he gets all defensive and pulls out "your Elfdar are going to get slaughtered by my Termies". Funny thing is, I'm not the greatest general out there, but I sure know how to write a very well-balanced army list, and I'm only getting better with time on how to use each unit in synchronocity.
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Of the people I play with, there is much mocking of the Eldar. Not so much stat wise, but more because of their story and the fact they are running around with low Strength and Toughness. Though they do respect their special rules and can see how deadly they are, many a time I have heard them being called "pansies" and sometimes quite homophobic words.This is most likely due to the fact that they are a bunch of tall, thin "elves" as they oh so love to call them.
Dawn of War didn't help them much either, considering how "effiminate" soe of the voices are. Poor Guardian Squads. Of the people I play Tabletop the least offensive player is the Tau guy but that's more to do with his personality than 40K. Chaos/Tyranid guy is plenty mocking of their low Toughness and the Ork guy, despite having Eldar before, loves how much tougher his Orks are than the "loser Smelldar". Oh the Wit!