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OK! Well I've spent the majority of my gaming career avoiding cheese and looking for more characterful combination. My gaming group is beginning to think the army itself is weak. I think it's time to break out the cheese and show them what kind of pain Eldar can dish out! So what it cheesy now?
I can take 3 prisms or 3 wraithlords, and a full seer council including eldrad. I have most of the models in the range by now so anything but vipers or walkers can be added easily. So my question to you is, how cheesy can I be in 1250 points (roughly) and what would an IG player fear the most. (Note: they hug cover like a 2 year old clinging to a lollypop)
I'm done being Mr. nice guy for one game. Cheese me!
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I've seen a cheesy eldar army in a tournament that me and my friend were sure it was cheesy after all the army won the tourney.
i dont have the army list but the army was basically 1500 points and it had like 8 wave serpents all with good heavy weapons packed with dire avengers 1 fire prism and 1 random group of 6 harlies which im geussing were their just incase of haveing trouble kill monsterouse creatures.
When i saw that army i had no idea how he fit that much in 1500 points i was surprised.
That is probably the only way to be cheesy with eldar in my opinion nothing else i can think of.
so just get loads of skimers with ani tank weapons mabe some fire dragons and loads of avengers.
Or get 9 d-cannons LOL and put guardian meatshield in fromd while you move into range
and have eldrad and a farseer or two farseer on jetbikes and mind war your enemies HQ's to death.<< im not sure if this is really cheesy
dude, rock the 3 prizms fo sho. then take the avatar. after this, i would bank all your points on as many avengers as possible. for the points, i think they are one of the best basic troop in the game. u don't even have to take the exarch, just take a shitload of em. lastly, i would take either a squad of banshees/scorps/spiders.
go for 2 20 man squads of guardians with 2 SLs. 3 prizms. rest of army throw into elites. once again, take the avatar. i know eldrad is known as the king of cheese, but imo, i think that the avatar is more so. i don't know. 1250 doesn't really let u get all super cheezy like 2k would. u might just want to go all saim-hann on their ass too tho. that would be nice and cheezy. 2 doomseers. 3 prizms. (6 jetbikes + 1 warlock) x3. rest of points into vypers. i don't think your friend, mr. IG will be able to hug the ground like a molerat, and, with the bonus of only having to have your stuff within 4 in coherency, his pie plates he will be dropping, won't hit but one measely jetbike per round. awwwwww....what a cute wittle vindicator.....
make sure to bring some wine with your cheese tho, so you don't get bitched out too badly.
War is my master; Death my mistress.
Since 5th came out, Eldar don't really have any top-tier competitive builds. Some effective options for what you're trying to do would be a JB seer council of doom, prisms, and DA's in serpents, but still, that's not that bad
Anyway, remember, "Cheese is the battlecry of the unprepared."
War is my master; Death my mistress.
well, i would definatley get a few squads of dark reapers if the exarch has tempest launcher and crack shot its a garuanteed 9-10 dead a turn regardless of cover. see him rethink his stategy when you kill his command squad first turn.
That is if they arent dead by then.....I just dont think reapers are that efficient. The second I normally play them I can see the other players eyes bulge, theyre usually a high priority target. And even with a 3+ save they can only take so much...
In my opinion, bikes can be pretty darn cheesy if you have enough of them. They are usually little more than annoying flies, but for some reason more attention is brought to them than should be. Of course it changes with the player. But its worth a try, theyve worked for me.
Aagainst guard yo yo hawks tend to cause alot of grief. Actually if he is not mechanized you could run something like 3 groups of yo yo hawks baharroth and an autarch ( reserve rolls ) up to 4 large blast templates a round that are AP5 so ignoring the normal guardsmen save and no cover unless actually inside cover.
The most powerful unit I have seen is eldrad yriel 10 warlocks in a waveserpent( note I said powerful the cost may keep it from being cheese ). I have yet to have any unit go toe to toe with this and survive. Not great against IG as they will just throw token units at it and then shoot it to bits.
@ shadowblademafia, Agreed about the bikes, a large unit with a warlock using conceal and a farseer with fortune make a very tough unit to crack with shooting as they get 3++/5++ I'm still on the fence if a unit like this is worth the points over all ( been having good and bad games with them )
@ couger, My current 1500 point army is 4 waveserpents with brightlances and 2 fireprisms changing to 5 man DA squads instead of flamer heavy storm guardian units I could fit in an extra unit or two If I dropped the upgrades on my tanks and changed weapons around a bit I might even get 3 more units but to be honest the list doesn't kill lots of enemies it kills just enough survives just enough and holds just enough objectives to win. ( might be called cheese for that but I think the general idea here is to get a list that will blow the enemy off the table )
@ banik, I have to agree if the games are not scored on just win/loss/draw as eldar struggle to kill off whole armies and control multiple objectives so they don't win big which is almost as bad as loosing in many tournies.
Sorry about the wall of text and thanks to anyone that actually read it all.
IMHO, Eldar lost their ability to be cheesy with the new book.
They are actually extremely balanced.
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hugging cover eh?
take only jetbike squads, and jetbike council(s)
Using destructor, flame anything hiding in cover, JSJ, and avoid everything that can shoot you. If you play it right, he'll be utterly decimated and spitting with rage... and unlikely to doubt eldar superiority for a looong time.