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Haven't got the pleasure of playing any real games with eldar yet, but it would seem to me that they can be awfully boring to use in smaller battles and therefore I'm wondering about hitting 1500p. at once and don't go having problems with unit choices for the smaller games.
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Eldar have a difficult time in smaller games. You simply can't fit enough of our fun special rules or wargear. If you want to play around in smaller games it's best to use only one type of unit. I run two small bike squads, each with one canon and two basic riders. I then use the rest of my points to get an eight man warp spider bunch with an autarch. This is fun to jump around the board in a way that no one can touch me.
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I'm going to preface this with this is just my experience but....
I used to think that there was no point in playing under 1500pts. I didn't get to use enough units and Eldar are after all about combining units. Also we all love to see as much of our hard earned and painted collection in a deployment zone.
Having said that, my group ran a series of games 750pts - 1000pts blind draw on opponents. Whilst i didn't always win i learnt alot about my units and how they worked well together. Also i was surprised with what variety i could build into these lists especially vs MEQ armies.
I'm not saying i'm a changed man and now love to play small battles but i do think they're worth playing from time to time. My group also tends to run team games 1k each. It's fun to use a smaller force in support of another smaller force and compliment each other.
Another advantage is it's over quite quick and you can play more games and try out more lists in one gaming session.
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1000 point team battles are a lot of fun. I've teamed up with my friends Tau every once in a while. Guide seer, two Guardian squads w/ heavy weapons, and the rest of the points went into Dark Reapers. It was a rather unbalanced combination, two shooty armies mashed together, but the havoc we caused was always a blast (ba da dum)
If you get the chance to (maybe talk with your game club) organize a 2v2 1500 point tourney (3k vs 3k). These are a lot of fun too, you get to pick your ally and tailor your lists to handle situations in a much more unique manner. Its also a great way to play a large battle rather quickly, as both team mates can move their respective 1,500 points at the same time.
On a more relevant note, Eldar might not appear fun in say, 500 points.. but follow what Dekendo said and you might be able to pull something together you could enjoy. Guardian jetbike lists work well here. You don't have to worry about facing a huge army, and you can really take advantage of your mobility, and with so little firepower flying their way, they're rather durible!
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Living in an area with only one other WH40k player, I play almost nothing but small Combat Patrol style games. It can actually be a lot of fun to run with the smaller squads and very specific goals. You really don't need to worry about tanks, so a heavier focus can be made on taking down troops.
On of my favorite patrol lists was 1 War Walker with 2 scatter lasers, a squad of 5 Pathfinders and then 3 Guardian jetbikes. Very minimal unit count, but a lot of firepower and the ability to zip around and control the board.
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I have been an eldar player since I started this game. I have tried other armies, but always seem to return back to the eldar. Having said this I have played every type of battle, I could think of anyway, with this army. Anywhere from 500 pts. to 2000 fatal fourway. And I agree the eldar are not as fun in smaller games. If you play where regardless the points each side must take one HQ and 2 troops, they get even more boring. In my experience this is becasue the eldar often win. Especially in 5th. The eldar are diverse in every category of their army. By this I mean unlike the SM even each individual troops choice is different. There are fast units (jetbikes), hardhitting (Dire Avengers), horde like (Guardians), heavy hitting (Rangers). Even in small battles the eldar can take pretty much any type of army they want. Even the Storm Guardians have abilities to take the battle to HTH. If you don't play any compulsory units then you can make the battle go any way you want. Eldar can be very cheap, and so can outnumber an army like SM 2 to 1 and still have good units. A friend and I played an eldar Ork battle of 750 and he had about 7 to 10 more models than me. Considering his were much easier to kill this gave me an advantage. The worst part about the Eldar, or maybe the best, is they get much harder to play as the points go up. I was in a campaign earlier this week with two friends. Each game was 1500 points. The first game I made a single mistake, albeit a fairly large one, and lost by a huge margin. This was against witch hunters. The second game I took my time and after 6 rounds with the SM I have well over half my army left and he had one squad of Stern guard. All this to say the smaller games can give you a glimpse of what larger games are like. They can prepare you for how much an eldar army needs to work in unison to succeed. If you're looking for a fun army that you can make mistakes with and still win or at least tie, go to Space Marines or Necron. If you're looking for an army that will really test your skills, you have to Eldar.
I agree with you, with our high points costs and specialized units we have a hard time building effective lists (not least of all because of our sole and expensive transport).
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I actually played my first 3 games with Eldar last week. 500 pts, and I basically played the battleforce. Farseer, walker, squad of DA in a serpent, and a squad of guardians.
Apparently you're supposed to lose your first dozen games as eldar, but I actually tied 2 and won 1! I found the army a blast to play at 500 pts! The avengers were absolutely stellar anti-infantry, and between the scatter lasers on the walker and the TL Missiles on the wave serpent light vehicles were quickly dispatched. Guardians take read objectives, avengers take forward ones, and the wave serpent zips around to contest.
Pretty balanced, and a decent body count for 500 pts imo.
I play 400 pts patrol every now and then, and I have to say 3 jetbikes, and 5 vypers (normally I run dual shuricannons) is great little list that's quite forgiving, esp for eldar.
That's the main difference for me fromn small to large games, there is no mistakes in large games, because it will cost you the victory.
But, that being said, the point of eldar is the tactical side and large armies are a great way to show that off.
My advice would be to get to know every individual unit in the codex through experimentation in your smaller games, then slowly grow the points limit larger. That way you know exactly which units complement which.
Originally Posted by LegendxSval FoundationOriginally Posted by wakopanda
I have not yet used them, but for 500pts i'm looking to use this:
Autarch, fusion gun, mandiblaster, power weapon.
2x 8 Dire avengers
1x 5 warp spiders.
I'm thinking this list will be fun, we'll have to see though.
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